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Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.

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[–] Bot@sub.community 2 points 38 minutes ago

Years later, you will find many then teen’s 80yo grandmas’ photos in the leaked database

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 20 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Hm, I'm going to need some software engineers to critique an idea I have that could at least partially solve the fears people have about their personal details being tied to their porn habits.

The system will be called the Adult Content Verification System (or Wank Card if you want to be funny). It's a physical card, printed by the government with a unique key printed on it. Those cards are then sold by any shop that has an alcohol license (premises or personal). You go in, show your ID to the clerk, buy the card. That card is proof that you're over 18, but it is not directly tied to you, you just have to be over 18 to buy it. The punishment for selling a Wank Card to someone under the age of 18 is the same as if you sold alcohol to someone under 18.

When you go to the porn site, they check if you're from the UK, they check if you have a key associated with your account. If not, they ask for one, you provide the key to the site, the site does an API call to https://wankcard.gov.uk/api/verify with the site's API key (freely generated, but you could even make the api public if you want) and the key on the card, gets a response saying "Yep! This is a valid key!" and hey presto, free to wank and nobody knows it's you! If you don't have an account, the verification would have to be tied to a cookie or something that disappears after a while for all you anonymous people.

As a result, you can both prove that you're over 18 (because you have the card) and some company over in San Francisco doesn't get your personal data, because you never actually record it anywhere. All you have is keys, and while yes, the government could record "Oh this key was used to verify on this site", they'd have to know which shop the key was bought from, who sold it, and who bought it, which is a lot more difficult to do unless the shopkeeper keeps records of everyone he's ever sold to.

So... Good idea? Bad idea? Better than the current approach anyway, I think.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I'm a security dev and this is a good idea!

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This would be better than most of the crap being proposed or implemented.

But, since the keys are presumably reusable, they'll presumably get borrowed shared by and among minors almost immediately.

There could be some "Netflix account sharing" style work to deter that, of course.

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I did consider that people are going to share keys, but people are going to share accounts too so that's always going to happen. The best thing you can do is stick some safeguards on the keys where if a key is found online, it can be deactivated and potentially investigated since you can tell which shop sold the key. If there's a shop out there just giving cards away to minors, well they're in for a world of trouble.

Under the Licensing Act of 2003, it's illegal to sell alcohol to an adult if you reasonably suspect that they will be then giving that alcohol to a minor. You can assume the same will apply to people selling Wank Cards.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

people are going to share keys,

get ahead of it and sell discounted bukkakeys

you could probably even have a bundle called the "family plan" for the real sickos

I should get into masturbation regulation marketing!

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[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

I keep thinking about some of RPs I've done in my life. Hot, vile, smutty text based RPs. I think about them and wonder if there will ever be a time when those words would be considered illegal and I would be arrested for posting them. This doesn't just protect minors. It tags deviance. Some of you may know the darker corners of Reddit. Imagine if an AI flagged your subs. The delete-rebuild cycle doesn't work anymore. Reddit will always know. If the law asks for suspects for newly illegal thought crime, Reddit will be able to point to all the users on those dark corners. We are moving into a future where privacy doesn't matter and I fear what that means for the kinky among us.

[–] octobob@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 hours ago

I'm nowhere near as worried about this for kink stuff as I am about us LGBTQ living in the US.

[–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 5 points 12 hours ago
[–] catty@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

Something similar happened In China recently. A female author of homoerotic texts was charged for it.

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Meh, just upload a dick pic.

Greedy little pigboy.

[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'll never forget how he changed users' text without them knowing it before the 2016 election. Reddit was going downhill before, but that was a turning point.

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

For those unaware, this isn't something like replacing a slur with removed, he edited users' comments, turning them into insults to other users.

I don't care that those original commenters were (likely) pieces of shit, and the people who he made the comments insult were definitely pieces of shit, putting words into people's mouths to make them fight each other is unforgivable. Even if you put out a shitty apology.

I'm a UK citizen, fuck everything about this law. I'm so sick of the current authoritarian trend amongst some western countries. The UK is one of the worst offenders.

It's not even about protecting kids. It's about control and appeasing puritanical elements in society. We're the 6th richest economy in the world and we can't even offer some of the poorest kids food security. But at least they can't see a pair of tits on Reddit.

[–] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 8 hours ago

That said, as someone who has posted stuff like that and had it spread without my consent, screw (very much not literally) consuming that shit without taking the same risks as the people sharing what they get off to.

I do think its gross to require it for the other NSFW stuff. Drug forums are very important resources for harm reduction.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Parental controls exist. Use them instead. I fucking hate this.

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

tale as old as time even since I was a kid and I'm in my 40s. Reminds me of the original videogame rating system that Sega originally implemented in NA when the first Mortal Kombat came out. Parents, to this day, are still unable to manage what their kids consume.

I mean my parents never had an issue with this. Like when they'd rent movies, I wasn't allowed to watch Terminator 2 until I was like 13 and it was my Dads favourite movie. He put it on "ok, you have to leave the room now we're watching a movie" and I did.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Keeping the age verifier seperate from the content host is good. Destroying the files used for verification is good. On paper it's not too a bad system for age verification, but it really hinges on if you can trust them. Given the track record of basically almost every company and government ever...

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago

Good take. You are right. Still fuck this.

[–] tarknassus@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Problem is, how do we know that the company is reputable, audited, and so on?

I’ve seen more places requiring verification - and each one of them seems to use a different verification company. How are there so many of these places, and why aren’t they more commonly known? Like Experian for credit, etc.

Sure it might sound good to keep them separate - but all that is doing is absolving the content host from liabilities for providing the adult content (somewhere) on their platforms and sites. Reddit don’t want to get involved, and I’ll bet they found the cheapest and easiest provider, or the first one in the search list and thought “good enough”.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

I think it's good that Reddit is trying to continue to allow adult content within the legal framework in which it must operate.

I guess what I'm not clear on it is what the legal framework is for verification services. Absent rules that require robust privacy protections market forces will push a race to the bottom in terms of cost and data security will be the first to take a hit.

I know this might seem weird but I think this is one of those cases where a blockchain based smart contract might be the best solution. I'm not exactly sure, as any system that allows one to consume content generally also allows one to copy it, but having a system defined in code in a publicly auditable manner that cannot be changed without notice seems to me to have the capacity to grant the most reassurance.

I mean I assume that all the verification company is doing now is verifying a person's age and then giving a kind of authorization token that's cryptographically secure that basically says "the owner of this cryptographic key is of age".

[–] Cliff@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

Just upload a picture of any politician who voted for this.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

This is what Facebook does to verify accounts, they also autoban if you try to register with a temp email

[–] bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What’s considered a temporary email? How do they know?

[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Proton mail has a feature where you can create a new address that ties to your main one, but nobody except proton knows it is you. They end in passmail.net. I'm sure there are other providers that do similar things

[–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 2 points 12 hours ago

It's actually passinbox.com. The format is ${aliasName}.${randomWord}${random3DigitNumber}@passinbox.com Ex: lemmy.spaghetti198@passinbox.com

[–] bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Cool. Thanks :)

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[–] appropriateghost@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

so those scam popups that scare people by saying their webcam was hacked and took pictures of them while looking at porn is getting state sanction!

[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

We thought the same thing about Netflix with the sharing password bans. Yet they retained more profit than ever the next year.

Who's to say if this is what will make Reddit end, or did they actually just got more successful after the end of 3rd party apps compared to the declaration of so many users back then?

Digital personal verification is just going to become a fact of life in the future for everyone born after about 2012. They will use online ID cards, biometrics, location metadata that is constantly uploaded by our devices, maybe even implanted RFID encrypted chips for account verification. Passwords are becoming outdated and outmoded for security as we speak here. 2FA is the minimum security for online today but that may soon become outmoded as well.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

That's because Netfilx is basically a media powerhouse & kind of a monopoly.

& your average person doesn't know how to effectively pirate

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Yeah, fuck all that.

Guess we're transitioning into a VPN only future.

We have the opportunity to head into a utopic or dystopic future and we're absolutely choosing the dystopic one.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (6 children)

They'll criminalize personal VPN users for non-work purposes, next.

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[–] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Kier Starmer voice: “We are an island, of wankers”

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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

u/spez was the lead moderator of r/jailbait, and when he was caught, he got rid of mod transparency. Ghilisaine Maxwell was likely a l lead moderator of news Reddits as well (u/MaxwellHill). Reddit has always been compromised.

[–] Krompus@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

I’m not defending Spez, I think he’s a piece of shit and he did edit other users’ comments that were critical of him, which is fucked up, but I don’t think he was actually involved with that sub. It was possible to appoint mods without their knowledge or consent, and he’s a huge target, someone must have done it as a joke.

[–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 2 points 12 hours ago

what's the topic of r/jailbait?

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