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    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

    Locking comments. Had a good run, over half a day, but this was always headed for an emotional train wreck.

    I always rename my branch to main. Because it's shorter? That's the extent of my reasoning. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

    [–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Just use main. I'm not bothered by either, but I'm not in the demographic that would be bothered by master, so I use main and STFU. It takes way less effort to switch to main (if you haven't already) than to come up with all this rhetoric about why master shouldn't trigger people.

    I would argue that it's best/easiest to leave existing projects on master, and just use main for new ones. Either way I agree, people arw reactionary af about this issue

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    [–] 0x01@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    The default branch for some projects is "production" since CD deploys on pushing to that branch

    For new projects, main. My thought is that even if master is not offensive, since the industry has generally made the change, the only reason to stick with master is stubbornness or hating political correctness, neither of which aligns with my self-view so I'll use main and move on.

    In general if people are genuinely hurt by the use of some words, I'm not sadistic so I'll avoid using them. From my perspective morality is the pursuit of the reduction of suffering, even if that suffering is internal.

    [–] natecox@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    It kills me that this take is so hard to find online.

    Did I think calling the main branch β€œmaster” was offensive before this controversy? No, I’d never even considered it.

    Does switching to calling it β€œmain” impact me, like… at all? Also no. It’s like the lowest effort change to make.

    If I can make my industry more welcoming to a more diverse group of people, that is a solid victory and way more important than the name of my primary git branch.

    [–] blarghly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I mean, the problem people have with it isn't a name change or improving inclusivity. It's the fact that they feel like they are being bullied into doing something they had no input into in the name of inclusivity. What pisses people off is how, as soon as someone says "x" isn't maximally inclusive of some marginalized group, everyone has to change or else get called a categorically bad person.

    For example, suppose you have a red hat that you enjoy wearing. You got it at wafflefest a decade ago, and it says "I <3 Waffles". Then one day, your boss sends out an email that no more red hats are allowed in the office because it might create an unwelcoming environment. You will, of course, be pissed off. Not because you can't wear your waffle hat anymore, but because your boss feels entitled to control the minutiae of you life like this. You'll think to yourself "fuck that guy, and fuck whoever brought up banning red hats in some corporate board room 1000 miles away. This is bullshit!"

    People like their autonomy, and don't like being controlled. Doesn't matter if it is in the name of increased corporate profits, or inclusivity, or saving the bees, or dying of lung cancer. They don't care about the name of their git branch - they care that they feel like they are being forced to change it.

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    Don’t forget laziness. I have some projects that have been around forever and I am not changing it across my infra because I am lazy. I will do it next year…

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    [–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    No one commits to trunk anymore....

    [–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
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    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

    It's a retroactive bastardization of the word based on one particular culture's one particular interpretation of it (master being, apparently, a slaveowner) that ignores both the much earlier meanings of master artisan or master craftsman (as opposed to journeyman and apprentice) and masterpiece (through which an artisan is recognised as a master), and the modern meaning of a master copy (like a master record in disc printing).

    This isn't like replacing the "master and slave" terminology with regard to connected devices. That one was warranted because it was often inaccurate and confusing. But forcing the adoption of main instead of master feels like someone got offended on someone else's behalf because a word looked superficially like that other bad word, and apparently we can't have an understanding that goes deeper than what letters it's made up of.

    Amerika ist wunderbar. This is an --initial-branch=master household.

    [–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    regardless of that, it's never inconvenienced me and it's still a net gain in readability, since main actually means what it means. have my shell scripts set up to use either one for any repo I'm in automatically.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    Honestly it's not even about convenience. As far as breaking conventions go, this one has none-to-minimal impact -- existing master branches won't suddenly become invalid. But it's yet another instance of a subset of a subset of a subset of users getting to enforce their sensibilities for superficial reasons, and ultimately with zero effect regarding the cause they claim to represent; cultural and linguistic differences be damned.

    I'd love to be more specific, but I don't want the comments to turn into a warzone.

    And don't pretend like master doesn't mean what it means.

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    [–] PixxlMan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

    At some point needlessly banning words just empowers bigots by letting them claim larger and larger parts of the vocabulary. Shouldn't we try to reclaim words instead, and deprive the words of their power? Just "banning" words, especially in cases such as this one when the connection to master/slave is pretty weak, actually increases the negative power of the words and I'd argue empowers people with malicious intent

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    [–] vivendi@programming.dev 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Master. I find the whole "reasoning" behind the controversy absolute horseshit peddled by nontechnical people on the sidelines

    [–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Just that master doesn't actually makes much sense in most git workflows.

    If you understand master like you would understand the master/slave relationship in old tech, then of course, master seems to make sense until you realize that there is no slave in that sense or in name. Additional, master is rarely doing anything but having release or hot fixes being merged into it. Arguably dev is the master of the branches.

    In other words, master was always a bad name. It is silly to rename it because "racism" but it is at least equally silly to act like master is a much better name than "main" or "live" or "prod" or ... Fuck, the list is long.

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    [–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

    I personally don't think the word "master" should be considered offensive - my wife has a master's degree in deaf education - but I've switched to "main" because that seems to be the convention now and it really doesn't have to be an issue.

    [–] i_am_not_a_robot@feddit.uk 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    There's no "slave" convention in git so I'm not sure how it can be considered an issue (I get that drives being master and slave is a bit icky). But then, what is it a master of?

    As others have said, "trunk" would have been a more sensible replacement.

    [–] rtxn@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    It's a master the same way that an original recording (the final version before mass reproduction) is called a master; mixing and processing the raw media clips into such a recording is called mastering. It's a convention that has existed long before computers were a thing.

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    [–] savvywolf@pawb.social 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Main.

    Don't get me wrong, the whole debate is Microsoft just being performative (why not use your vast wealth to actually help people?). But honestly, putting the debate aside, "main" is just a clearer and more intuitive name.

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    [–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 106 points 1 day ago

    main in the streets, master in the sheets

    [–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 87 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I get wanting to move away from "master," but why in the world didn't we use "trunk"

    It was already a standard name, and it fits "branches," etc.

    [–] dan@upvote.au 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    "trunk" is what it was called in SVN, too. Well, kind of. SVN didn't have a real concept of branching like Git does, but the main development would almost always happen in a root directory called "trunk".

    I'm not sure why Bitkeeper used "master", but that's why Git called it that (Git was originally built as a replacement for Bitkeeper).

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    [–] lilith267@lemmy.blahaj.zone 96 points 1 day ago (6 children)
    [–] alehc@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 day ago

    git checkout mommy

    [–] rem26_art@fedia.io 41 points 1 day ago

    about to start using mommy for all my projects now

    [–] the_beber@feddit.org 22 points 1 day ago

    MOAB (mother of all branches)

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    [–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 60 points 1 day ago (14 children)

    Master. I find this out of context fight against words pathetic.

    [–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    My scrum master said that we need new tickets to update the git branches and pipelines to use main instead of master since master was a bad word.

    I asked him what his job title was again and there was a pause.

    Then he said we can't say that we are going to groom the code base anymore.

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    [–] Brosplosion@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I don't care which one you use, just don't change it once it's established. So many legacy Yocto projects got broken cause open source libraries changed their branch names.

    [–] yarr@feddit.nl 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I don’t care which one you use, just don’t change it once it’s established. So many legacy Yocto projects got broken cause open source libraries changed their branch names.

    This was one of the arguments when the renaming was first proposed. "Just rename it, it won't break anything! It's only racists that want to keep the name!"

    Sure, except for all the CI/CD scripts, release scripts, etc that all have "master" there and are now broken.

    I know of a company that their entire CI pipeline was broken overnight because some "helpful" person renamed the branch to master but didn't bother checking out their pipelines...

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    [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    If it uses master and it's too much trouble to get people to switch. It stays master until we can coordinate.

    If I'm starting a new project I use main.

    Why?

    It doesn't take much to do and it avoids any misunderstandings or arguments and we've got work to do. I don't particular care if you guys are "stuck" on master. If that's what it is and everyone wants to keep it that way, I don't have enough will to change it. If it's under my control, I will change it.

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    [–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    No gods no master branches

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    [–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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    [–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I can work with either, but I cannot and will not forgive any deliberate changes from main to master.

    [–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    If you have a main and a master branch in the same repo and you don't delete one at the very start of the project, God has abandoned the living bcz we're lost and he has forsaken all that is good in the world.

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    [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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