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[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 109 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Always have been a police state, anti terrorism laws are ALWAYS used to silence 'dissident' voices

From 5 July 2025, it is an offence under the UK's Terrorism Act 2000 to be a member of Palestine Action,[7] fundraise for it,[8][9] wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership,[10] or if someone invites support or even "expresses an opinion or belief supportive of" Palestine Action "reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support" it.[11] These offences carry a maximum penalty of up to 14 years in prison for membership or inviting support, and up to 6 months in prison or a fine for displaying supporting items.[7][10][11][9]

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 36 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Is Palestine Action a specific movement/group or is palestine Action literally just supporting Palestine? Asking from a non UK perspective.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

It's a specific group that recently broke into an RAF base and started mucking about with the aircraft, hence why the government aren't their biggest fans.

Shortly after they did this they were designated as a terrorist group by the home office which is why public support is an offence.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (22 children)

Their latest action was against the planes, but they have actually been extraordinarily successful at damaging the economic machine behind the genocide through targeted and sustained sabotage campaigns against Elbit Systems weapons manufacturer and their supporters, like Barclays Bank. They have already forced the closure of two weapons factories and forced Barclays to divest. It is most likely this sustained campaign that is the real reason for the terrorist designation, though the action at Brize Norton was probably the straw that broke the camel’s back.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Let's hope the UK citizens prove less cowardly than the US ones.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 98 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You have a lot of trust in people who voted to isolate themselves from their biggest allies and trading partners just a couple years ago.

[–] match@pawb.social 21 points 1 week ago

took me a minute before i realized the US only did that months ago instead of years

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[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

The British haven't been too good at protesting in the near past

[–] john_lemmy@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Arguably not in the recent past, but let us not forget that the suffragettes were very committed protesters. They did more than just organize symbolic protests though. They also carried out bombings and arson campaigns and one of them ended up cutting Winston Churchill's face with a dogwhip.

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[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

X to doubt. The UK threw out due process a long time ago, wave the ‘terrorism’ tag and egregiously Orwellian policies become law:

  • Legalized warrantless arrest and imprisonment of suspects without trial or warrant for 28 days
  • Permits freezing of a suspects assets without trial
  • Allows unlimited imprisonment of foreigners suspected of terrorism without trial
  • Military police permitted to operate on UK soil openly, even for non terrorism reasons
  • TPIM orders without trial that permits electronic tagging, travel bans, limited house arrest, curfews and constant monitoring.

And all that’s before we even talk about the recent Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act nonsense.

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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As American, I’m always so glad to see our cousins across the water follow our inane footsteps. Cheers Brits!

Cross Atlantic solidarity against fascism 🤝

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

Brexit? They were first.

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[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Fuck you, government. I do not respect your existence, and day by day, am losing respect for the laws you demand we follow. Fuck your rules.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Palestine action? Never heard of them. We support Action for Palestinian.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The People's Front of Judea?

No, The Judean People's Front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

[–] ewo@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)
  • The people's front of Palestine AKA the Palestinians people's front AKA... The name changes will cease when the facists stop being facist
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[–] mkhopper@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago
[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 31 points 1 week ago (6 children)

US does police state better.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

US is Judge Dredd.

UK is 1984.

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[–] clockworkrat@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 week ago

Does it different. In the US the violence is more up front. Here it's done through mechanisms of the state.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)
[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

In Germany we are at a point where it's difficult to identity antisemitism became everyone who doesn't actively support the genocide in Gaza is called an antisemite

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Palestine Action are heroes. We should be singing songs about them, not prosecuting them.

Remember, legality and morality are only vaguely related. Beyond the natural crimes of murder, rape, etc. laws are just politics by another name. And the wealthy and powerful write laws to advance their own corrupt interests. Many moral obligations are criminalized, and many things that if there is a Hell will surely get you sent there are perfectly legal.

Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It's a shame they weren't destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed. That is the simple absolute moral truth. If the law says otherwise, then the law is wrong. Anyone violating it still needs to keep the consequences in mind. But outside observers should not be afraid to speak truth to power. What Palestine Action did was not wrong; it was an act of heroism. The UK should be electing these people to parliament, not prosecuting them. Want courageous leaders who will actually stand up to powerful interests and do the right thing, even when it's hard? Well it seems you just found that exact rare kind of person right here.

Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza is simply the morally right thing to do, regardless of the law. It's no different than a Jewish resistance fighter in the 1940s setting fire to a cattle train about to go collect prisoners for transport to Dachau. Sometimes destruction of government property is the only morally correct choice available to people.

And we shouldn't be afraid to say this. People in the UK should be contacting their politicians demanding a full pardon for these heroes.

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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even if they were trying to use this sort of rule with wholesome intentions, I'm not sure how targeting groups by name instead of deed makes sense. It's like doing a healthy diet by giving up Coca-Cola by name even though Pepsi and RC have the same nutritional profile and availability. Enjoy the Whack-a-mole game!

Taken to its logical conclusion, someone should start a pro-Palestinian squad and call it the Reform Party.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 10 points 1 week ago (23 children)

The group in question broke onto an airbase and put a couple of RAF planes out of action. They crossed a red line for the government.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Oh boy wait till you hear what the suffragettes were willing to do for another righteous cause, a bit over a century ago. I don't know man, maybe the government should start reexamining its policies if ordinary people among its citizens are willing to start breaking into airbase and damaging their own planes.

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[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Some Aussie comedian on KGB News has just said that the disabled should be shot or starved into work …but a few people holding signs is the problem. How baffling.

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[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The Brits need to make like the French and lop heads off until they have something resembling a functional democracy.

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[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

Only antisemites think genocide is bad. /s

[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Can you support "the political prisoners of Palestine Action"?

Can you say "Palestine Action is not a terrorist organization"?

Can you say "Outlawing Palestine Action is terrorism"?

Or is that also illegal?

Fucking fascists... A sad end to the Labour Party, but it was clear what would happen after they stabbed Corbyn in the back.

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[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's so much easier for the frog to not realize it's being boiled in the UK because there's no consolidated constitution to point to

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Not sure that matters too much, frogs in the US are boiling fine too. The constitution can be brushed aside just as easily.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Even on the middle east eye YouTube I'm seeing so many appeals to authority and "it's illegal, simple as. Full stop. Not for debate".

Not sure if brigading or what but it really worries me how people think.

It's not like they're stupid, it's like it's uncomfortable for them to think.

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