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Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs (www.cnbc.com)
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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 17 points 3 hours ago

Even before the current political situation I wouldn't have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.

Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it's hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don't have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won't come to you, so if your car won't start you have to arrange a pickup.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,

but nowadays i don't care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.

The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.

Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

SpaceX should be nationalized. We paid for it, it's ours.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 2 points 1 hour ago

Agreed. This system of giving out money and getting what we paid for sold back to us is fucking dumb.

[–] Tillman@lemmy.world 1 points 53 minutes ago (2 children)

Who in the current admin would you like to see run it? Because one of them would if it were nationalized. Who would be your pick?

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago

The current regime is full of ignorant buffoons but at least in that case it would normally be temporary.

In the private model where the gov pays for everything anyway, the taxpayer pays the cost of doing the thing plus whatever profit the oligarch wants to make and you have no way of switching to another oligarch should the current one becomes unacceptable. There is simply no upside to SpaceX as a private entity

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

It would be under NASA, but the argument is moot, since it wouldn't happen under a MAGA Nazi administration. It will have to wait until Americans take back our government. Then we can nationalize Space X, confiscate the DOGE Goblin's fortune, and deport him back to South Africa.

[–] bluedye@lemm.ee 14 points 3 hours ago

Better super late than never.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder what continues to motivate the uber rich to seek more wealth-you simply can't buy any more tangible amount of happiness through material or influence after a point.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Once you have enough money, anything you do makes you money.

Elon blew 44 billion or Twitter, axed the servers, staff, and the name, and he was able to leverage that into a government job where he could kill investigations into his companies years later. You could say it's intelligence, but I'd say it's a combination of luck, and the resources to blow 44 billion and not have it affect you personally in any way.

[–] 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.com 10 points 4 hours ago

Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn't happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions

[–] Kazel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 hours ago

HAHA

[–] Pirate@feddit.org 10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago) (2 children)

Chinese electric cars are just better. BYD is what Tesla wanted to be, but actually fulfills its promises. Plus it isn't ran by a nazi dictator.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Watch the RichRebuilds review of Chinese EVs. There is a lot of "make it look good" in their engineering, like massive painted brake calipers...that are a single piston. The cars probably aren't as quality as other EVs, but the prices, specs, and niche features are very compelling. I'd definitely consider one in the US. Anything that isn't a Tesla or a massive crossover would be great.

[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 25 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I uh.. you sure about that dictator thing? xi jinping enters the chat

[–] Pirate@feddit.org 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

If you think Xi Jinping is dictating what BYD does with their cars then you don't understand the fundamentals as to why China managed to attract so much foreign investment and got to where they are now in the first place.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Foreign investment was because of cheap labor and companies being subsidized by the communist government......

BYD might make a better car than Tesla, but saying that a Chinese company isn't "under the control of Xi Jinping", the guy who crushed Hong Kong for having too much independence and wants to do the same with Taiwan, is laughable.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

That's actually a bit of a myth you know. Labour in China used to be dirt cheap 30 years ago but that's not the case now. You need experts to build cars and they demand an appropriate salary. They probably don't get paid as much as they would in the west but they're not being paid pennies an hour either. However the idea that China is cheap has persisted.

There's a reason that Apple doesn't make the iPhone there anymore. It was getting too expensive ie they were being asked to pay for a decent wage, and they weren't prepared to.

[–] Pirate@feddit.org -1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

but saying that a Chinese company isn't "under the control of Xi Jinping", the guy who crushed Hong Kong for having too much independence

Just take that sentence at face value and consider the ridiculousness of actually believing the guy alone has that amount of crushing power.

You're just regurgitating unfounded US propaganda which, this being Lemmy, is very unfortunate to see.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 25 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.

[–] HappyRedditRefugee@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago

Is gonna go up, Elon said they'll have full autonomous this year! /s

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Just give Elon more of some new drug. /s

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