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[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 33 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

You can pull 100k reporting 2-4 cars every day 365 days a year.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

$71k if you take weekends off

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What about 5 to 7 cars 4 days a week? I can't math

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

$100,000/yr * [1 yr/365 days] * [1day/3 reports] = $91/report. I assume the number is actually a round $100 and OP rounded down, so 6 cars/day * $100/car * 4 days/week * 52 weeks/year = $124,800/year, or at $91/car, ~$113,000/year

[–] suswrkr@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 19 hours ago

not all heroes wear capes

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] jlow@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 13 hours ago

The quota of complaints that was actually followed through / taken action on was similar to stuff actually recycled from collected recycling, both rates are below well 10% (in Germany).

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 308 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Under the Citizens Air Complaint Program, they can record idling trucks or buses, report them and keep 25% of any fines, which typically range from $350 to $600.

This seems pretty common sense.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, bare minimum that’s over $80 per report. Even if you only get one per hour, that’s still fantastic money by most metrics. That’s like $14k per month, or ~$170k per year. And that’s just the bare minimum fine.

[–] cenzorrll@lemmy.ca 20 points 17 hours ago

Per fine, not report. So there's the "did they actually get fined" portion of it. But still, That's a nice bonus if only one report goes through a week, for maybe an extra hour of time spent if you regularly bike commute, walk, etc.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

There’s a street I cross in the morning that becomes a clearway during commute hours. I take a grim satisfaction in watching the tow trucks take away yank tanks, because of course their humans believe the rules apply to everyone but them.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

A yank tank / wank tank is any SUV or pickup that is larger than the tanks we used to beat the Nazis (not joking)

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

lol that's great

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

clearway

yank tanks

What in the upside down hellscape am I reading here?

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 10 hours ago

(uɐᴉlɐɹʇsn∀) ɥsᴉlƃuƎ

[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 114 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wish there was something like this for reporting people parked in bike lanes.

[–] avg@lemmy.zip 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The cops won't ticket themselves.

[–] fishpen0@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

That’s why this system is great though. Citizens report violations directly to the city and bypass the cops who never enforce these kinds of rules or violate them themselves. The city could fine the cops. Whether or not that happens is a different issue

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

They should, they'd triple their income.

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[–] Plaidboy@sh.itjust.works 127 points 1 day ago (28 children)

Wish we got a more complete understanding of the truckers' side in this article - why is it so hard to turn off your engine instead of idling?

The guy quoted in the article says that some trucks need to operate their lift gates 15 or 20 times in a day. First of all, turn on your engine to operate the gate and then turn it off when you're done... Secondly, if it is impacting business too much to take that extra time to turn the engine on and off, invest in an auxiliary power source to operate the lift gate.

Maybe I'm missing something?

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 126 points 1 day ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (13 children)

Former trucker. If it's hot or cold AF it sucks not having a or heat. If it's a hot day, it's way hotter on blacktop surrounded by hot engines.

It can be a pain to turn it on and off a bunch of times per day, I know it sounds minor, but when you're trying to keep track of a bunch of things, making sure the right cargo comes off or on in the right order in the right way, hitting multiple docks or stops in quick succession. Trying to claim the space you need and trip plan (a lot of people don't realize how difficult it can be to get a truck through a city, especially East Coast cities).

Then you get somewhere and hop out of your truck to check in, thinking it will take 30 seconds. Talk to whomever you may need to, clear obstacles and eyeball the space you need to get your trailer into. You'll run into clueless, apathetic and just all around useless fucks at every corner. The sort of people that make glaciers seem on point. 30 seconds can turn into 30 minutes real quick.

It's a tough gig, and having an army of mercenary profit driven people out there looking to make a buck off the guy delivering literally everything you need to survive that's not air (and sometimes even that too) is kinda bullshit.

Edit: I'm not endorsing excessive idling, just trying to give some perspective on why a driver may fail to turn it off.

And also that a policy that pays anyone to report it is suspect at best. Where are we drawing the line on that? Jaywalking? What about immigration? Who's to say I can't start a company that surveils and informs for profit? It's a slippery damn slope with nothing nice at the bottom. Enforcement should be done with paid public servants, full stop.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 1 points 10 minutes ago

To add to this as a Diesel mechanic,

Diesel engines are designed to operate continuously for the most part, the most wear and tear on the engines happen during start up and shut down.

They take large batteries and more effort to start so repeatedly doing that over and over in short intervals will lead to flat batteries and burnt out starter motors

Diesel engines run most efficiently I.e less pollution and better fuel economy when warm, cold engines cause more soot etc.

The engines wear poorly and develope carbon deposits from stop start operations too increasing fuel consumption and NOX emissions.

Lastly but certainly not the end of it is most Diesel trucks have what's known as a turbo timer, this keeps the engine running 2 minutes or more depending on settings after the ignition is turned off.

This allows oil flow around the turbo and prevents unnecessary heat damage to components.

Certainly if i applied some thought to this i could come up with more reasons and others could argue against but that's what I've got to say on the matter

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

an army of mercenary profit driven people out there looking to make a buck off the guy

that's one interpretation. another could be "a group of people who care enough about the air quality of their neighborhood that they finally stand up for themselves".

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Yeah all of those things do suck, we empathize with you. Just go ahead and turn off your engine though and avoid the fine.

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The first 3 paragraphs are absolute garbage.

Your last one I get, but still, it's a job, delivering in a large metropolitan area sucks. Turning your engine off ain't that hard. Yes I've worked as a driver.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I'm not defending the practice of excessive idling, was just trying to give some perspective. Ty for calling it garbage tho, always nice to hear constructive feed back.

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 97 points 1 day ago (8 children)

There's a lot of externalizing of costs going on. The trucks are idling because the drivers are operating at the slimmest possible margin under the assumption that idling doesn't cost anything.

What we actually would want to get to is that idling does have a cost (environmental, health, pleasantness of the area, etc). And that cost ought to be passed up the chain so that the various goods being shipped are more expensive.

But without a more centrally-managed economy, the implementation is to put all the pressure on the truck drivers and leave them responsible for passing that pressure to the next step up the chain. It doesn't work out very well in practice because the drivers need to make a bunch of capital expenses for something like adding a cab AC and adding a batter-powered lift, but they've been operating at low margins so they're not in a position to do it.

[–] Headofthebored@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I think I seen some calculation where it said that an engine uses the same amount of fuel to start as it does to idle five minutes. I don't know if that was average, a specific engine, or if it referred to gas or diesel though.

[–] shoo@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

I think that used to be true on older cars, but with modern passenger cars emissions/fuel use for start up is about the same as 10s of idle. No clue if that's true for these big diesel vehicles tho.

Idling diesel is supposed to be very bad but long haul trucks are better at it because they need to keep refrigeration running. Either way, something like 2 minutes of idle is almost universally worse.

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