Yeah its the farmers fault and not the people who determine which type of farming gets subsidized or the corporations that own everything they need and keep them dependant on unsustainable farming practices for menial wages at best.
this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2025
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Pre 50s Ag was small scale, and did tons of environmental damage. The green Revolution promoted corporate Ag, which gave us the system we have now. None of this is ideal, and a better land management would have served us a lot better.
Yes but its not the responsibility of the individual to be environmentally sustainable. Thats an expanding field of research that we can't expect every person to keep up with. Which is why we should have institutions that regulate farming practices in order to make them sustainable but unfortunately the ones we have are inept because sustainability is unprofitable. The problem originates with the organization of labor and should be treated in a manner appropriate to its origin.
Also the green revolution was designed to give the working class less power over food production because organized farmers could have a dangerous level of control over the economy. What if they were to strike?
I disagree on the environmentally sustainable aspect. It is our responsibility to be good stewards of the earth, though we all very much shirk that duty.
I agree on institutions and regulations though, very much.
The green revolution was more of a combination of factors. The early to mid 20th century saw a lot of mechanical and chemical development, with the Haber-Bosch process only discovered at the onset of WWI. There definitely was a 'contain communism' aspect to it though. I don't think it was more about power over the working class, but more of 'hey if Asia is hungry they'll be angry, and if they're angry they'll get organized or be susceptible to communist influences'.
How is this farmers' fault? You know most of them are below the poverty line, right?
OK, definitely not the farmer fault,
and this meme only works in the theory that without corporation and lobbying, farme6ars still affected by profit and it ecological devastation is still likely, look into petit bourgeoisie.
but it's pointless to complain about something in theory, when in reality corporations are currently responsible
Those who were not adopting the fossil fuel intensive, machine based methods the industry was peddling were forced to sell long ago - that's why farms tend to be huge. Those who are now farming these huge pieces of land bought it up from farmers brought below the poverty line, and now they are forced to do industry farming or drown.
No they're not, farming is a fairly lucrative job. Its hard work, and you arent going to get filthy rich exactly, but nobody who farms is poor by any means. My partners grandparents are farmers, andnthey do just fine. In fact, when they eventually sell the farm land, which my partners parents inherit, they will make a crap ton of money off it.
And then you have farmers here that are below poverty line and are selling off the land just to not go bankrupt.
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nobody who farms is poor by any means
COPY PASTE THIS TO A FARMING FORUM
Part of this is also the demand. Especially in places like the us, a lot of food is wasted, or nearly spoiled before it gets to the customer, or just straight up processed into heckin' fuel and plastic.
That's not to say that it's a bit odd that subsidies from the cold war are still in effect today, and that those subsidies are being used to lobby for more subsidies :/
It does make my 3d printer filament cheap tho, thank you American taxpayers!
Kind of why i would like to see humanity move to more compact agricultural practices like hydro/aeroponics in somewhat closed permacultre systems. Let nature return to nature.
Grass as far as the eye can see...
Is that Ronald Greentree? https://au.headtopics.com/news/wealthy-farmer-fined-over-2-million-for-illegal-land-62679982