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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 minutes ago

Not directly, but the government supported getting there.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 1 points 37 minutes ago

Last time, germany at least had the guts to spearhead the reich. This time they're just a bootlicker, following their imperialist friends.

[–] pm_me_weird_thoughts@lemm.ee 25 points 17 hours ago

Germany is, after U.S, the most pro Israel country of all countries

[–] tresspass@lemmy.world 20 points 18 hours ago

I'd find Germany less responsible for WWIII if maybe they ya know didn't support a genocidal terrorist ethnostate at the expense of domestically suppressing speech calling out that foreign policy, but I guess it just be like that sometimes

[–] febra@lemmy.world 31 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

Except Germany keeps delivering weapons to Israel, gives them diplomatic and political coverage, and apparently even has planes in the air to support Israeli fighter jets in their attacks on Iran.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 29 points 1 day ago

They are complicit in supporting and arming Israel as well as supporting the genocide.

https://xcancel.com/josemendes2/status/1934190961719972153#m

Except we are once again fighting on the side of genocide.

[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 115 points 1 day ago
[–] benjaminb@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Germans when they realise WW2 was caused by an man from Austria

Germans when they realise WW1 was caused by the assassination of the archduke of Austria and the subsequent declaration of war from Austria-Hungary on Serbia.

You could say Austria is responsible, but Hitler was in Germany, so WW2 is kinda our problem…

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Clearly, this is all Austria's fault. To punish Austria, Germany needs to invade and annex it....

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 16 hours ago

Well, for now, I haven't seen Austria do anything to start WWIII

[–] Uranus_Hz@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago

Also, the State of Israel was created right after, and as a direct response, to WWII.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Germany is the second largest provider of weapons to Israel, and a huge longtime consumer of Russian gas, this is a tonedeaf as hell meme.

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[–] Moonweedbaddegrasse@lemmy.world 159 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Wellllll... If it hadn't been for Germany, Israel probably wouldn't exist.....

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israel: we wouldn't have started it without Germany's security guarantees!

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well if they didn't genocide all those millions of innocent Jews 80 years ago, western countries wouldn't accept the invasion and genocide in Palestine over the last decades

[–] sqgl@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 minutes ago* (last edited 39 seconds ago)

Palestine population has been increasing over the last decades. ⅔ of European Jews died in the Holocaust. Comparing very different tragedies here.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (11 children)

They're highly complicit in Israel's actions.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 110 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Germany is Europe's biggest supporter of Israel.

The biggest issue is that we, the EU, are on the side of Germany now. And their track record with world wars isn't great.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (21 children)

To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of "original sin". What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

The problem is that "nothing of the sort" has translated into "opposing Jews in any way". It seems to me like Germany sees itself as bound to support Jews (and thereby the Jewish state Israel) no matter what in order to "atone for their sins", and I can understand that. However, right now, Israel is suddenly the state committing the closest thing we've seen to the Holocaust since the actual Holocaust. It's very hard for Germany to oppose Israel without tickling a part of their history that they've done a laudable job at condemning.

What Germany needs now, is to separate their history from their current politics. I understand that it's difficult, and I don't have an answer to how it should be done, but it needs to happen, lest the same crimes are committed again.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 1 points 11 minutes ago* (last edited 11 minutes ago)

What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself

Nazi Germany also murdered more than 10 million Russians, both civilians and soldiers, and had a literal genocidal plan against slavic peoples (Generalplan Ost), and yet they don't support the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Almost as if the whole "holocaust shame" thing was a myth, and it was used to manufacture consent towards Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

To be fair to the Germans, I can understand how the Holocaust is integrated into them as a kind of “original sin”. What was done to the Jews under the Nazis was so unspeakable terrible, and German society as a whole has done an enormous job at ingraining in themselves that nothing of the sort should ever repeat itself.

The problem with Germany is that they learned the wrong lesson out of WW2.

Instead of learning "genocide is bad", it's "Jews are always on the right side of history". And that's why Germany is completely uncritically supporting Israel with everything that it does.

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