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    [–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 34 points 1 day ago

    "systemd is the worst implementation of init, except all those other inits that have been tried from time to time" -Churchill, if he had been a nerd

    [–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.cafe 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    ReactOS.

    I have no moral or philosophical objections to the design of Windows NT, just the company that makes it and the enshittification. If ReactOS ever becomes stable enough to be daily used I would use it. For now I use LinuxMint and Steam OS at home.

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    [–] noxypaws@pawb.social 3 points 18 hours ago

    GrapheneOS, I assume

    [–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Debian that i haven't updated in 10 years

    [–] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 5 points 23 hours ago

    Come get Devuan.

    [–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 2 points 18 hours ago

    Haiku is pretty neat

    [–] DanForever@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    What's wrong with systemd?

    [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    It tries to do everything.

    Think of a thing you want to do in Linux and there is a systemd plugin for it. It’s not the unix way

    [–] jim3692@discuss.online 13 points 1 day ago

    Wait until you learn about the Linux kernel and the plethora of modules and patches

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    [–] snd@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I have to say as someone who uses NixOS I love systemd, because it makes a lot of things very easy. For example hardening services ( systemd-analyze security) or replacing cron (system timer).

    [–] ede1998@feddit.org 3 points 18 hours ago

    TIL about systemd-analyze security. Thanks!

    [–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    Neither Haiku or 9front use systemd, and they're both very interesting from a technical and design perspective (though not for their init systems).

    If it has to be a Linux distribution I would say Damn Small Linux (DSL), because its really impressive just how few resources it requires. You can run x windows and even browse the web (using Dillo) on a system that's small enough to fit in the L3 cache of some modern CPUs.

    I don't daily drive any of these though, so they might not count as my "favorite".

    [–] jim3692@discuss.online 1 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    I had a look at Haiku some months ago. Its single user architecture is an interesting choice. I mean, you don't need to worry about privilege escalation exploits, if you are always fully privileged /s

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    [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    systemd is fine. The only people I've ever heard complain about it are lonely neckbeards pretending like their opinion somehow matters.

    I've used Debian as a server system since it was using init.d. And do you know what I found? systemd is easier. And the fact that Debian of all distros decided to use it says a lot.

    [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    It says that you barely can have Systemd and alternatives in the same repo without shims and patches.

    That wasn't the question though.

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    [–] Haarukkateroitin@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    I have to write startup scripts time-to-time and I have to say that I don’t miss at all the old init-system.

    Not that systemd don’t have flaws, but in old init-system even simplest daemon took too many lines. Not to mention hacky comment definitions.

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    [–] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 133 points 1 day ago (11 children)

    Why should I not use systemd?

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    [–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

    cat head but no tail

    [–] boaratio@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    So the old init.d system was better? Come on people, let's stop infighting. I have zero preference on init systems. You know why? Because they're just plumbing. Stop this nonsense. Do I click on an init system? Do I use the init system to check my email? Or play games? No. I know poettering can be controversial, but let's just move on. Run freebsd if you're so butt hurt.

    [–] msage@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

    So the old init.d system was better?

    because those are our only two options...

    I hate this argument so much, because it's just a fallacy.

    There are (and have been) more solid init systems.

    [–] 10001110101@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    So much more than an init system though, which I think is why people don't like it. Personally, the only annoyance I have is I preferred log files over journald.

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    [–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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    [–] fishinthecalculator@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Totally Guix, it has no systemd and is able to roll back to the last working in case you break anything somehow

    [–] jim3692@discuss.online 3 points 1 day ago

    I was literally reading your guide about bonfire moments ago.

    For those who don't have a problem with systemd, there is NixOS, which offers the same capabilities as guix, while having a larger community and way more available packages available in its repos.

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago

    GNU cat

    You mean GNU cat?

    [–] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 59 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    As a user, why should I care whether the distro I use uses systemd? I use Mint and I don't remember having to interact with that kind of low-level nonsense. The distro maintainers can use whatever reasoning they want to pick these details.

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