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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

For all the harm that this current AI craze has caused with its excessive power usage, I don’t get how water usage is a thing. I’ve been in many data centers with water cooled systems and they were all closed loop systems. The water was a heat transport mechanism. The weren’t using fresh water to gather the heat and then just dumping it on the ground. So how is this a problem?

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

Many of the AI/LLM focused DCs are using open loop systems. It's stupid as fuck but, it's cheap (as a large corporation).

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 1 points 43 minutes ago

Yeah I’ve been reading up on this and it’s just stupidly wasteful.

[–] Master@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

They pump it out of aquifers then when done it goes down the drain to be processed and inevitably evaporated. The problem is we are pumping it out faster than it can naturally the aquifers. This causes long term environmental damage and at some point the aquifer will fail and no longer regenerate.

Welcome to the water wars.

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 4 points 11 hours ago

I hope you're all morally consistent and don't eat beef, which requires 15,000 litres of fresh water per kilo.

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Don’t worry, I’ll stop using my swamp cooler this summer

[–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Sparking concerns. A-ha. Right. I could have asked why this shit is not banned for this reason alone, but sadly I know the answer

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I'm no expert by any means but why not just filter the salt out of fucking sea water?

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The real shortage is the shortage of usable energy.
Entropy is what makes you able to use energy, but also what makes you lose energy.

[–] raid_dad@lemm.ee 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Because it’s expensive to do that at scale. I’m sure we’ll get to a point where it’s necessary to do that, but the capitalist machine doesn’t want to “waste money” on that.

Capitalism is a fucking disease.

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world -5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Capitalism is annoying yes but it's leaps and bounds better than communism

[–] raid_dad@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Um… nobody brought up communism? Just because I said one thing is bad does not mean that I’m advocating for something else.

Capitalism and Communism are not the only two options for a functional society (and I’d argue that neither of them are healthy long term solutions).

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

I've been having a heated argument with another gentleman about the subject of communism on a separate subLemmy, I clearly carried over the attitude and I apologize.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Had to check image was not AI

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Relatively easy, but expensive, problem to solve. We have all the salt water you need. Build nuclear plants and desalinate.

Stop allowing them to use the Colorado River.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

seawater is not all saltwater, its a bunch of other chemicals in it too.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm pretty sure desalinization doesn't scale. The salt needs to go somewhere.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

we can use them for some sort of project like building a pyramid out of salt, and it will become the perfect venue to host league of legends tournaments.

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I feel like those tournaments usually have more salt than they can handle already...

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Why not just put it back in the fucking ocean?

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You're taking salt from a large volume and putting it in a small area all at once. It kills the fish

I guess if the plan was to sprinkle the salt over miles and miles of ocean, that could work. But that's ridiculous to implement.

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Well yeah I imagine airplanes would be used

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Take a bunch of salty water

Remove most of the water for other purposes

You now have to dispose of the same amount of salt, but less water. It's hypersalinated, and toxic as fuck.

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but rain fall would mitigate this would it not?

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Fuck. Maybe we could just eat the salt...

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And it takes a lot of energy

which may not be an issue since companies running AI stuff are planning to deploy civilian mini nuclear reactors around the country

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

it scales fine (roughly linear at large scale), people just don't want to pay the energy cost because they think farms need cheap water.

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