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[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 164 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Raising kids these days must be a real minefield with all this toxic culture being so accessible.

[–] Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Fundamentalist religion is at the top of the toxic culture, and it has been around since before the incel term.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Usually, it's just another term for the same thing, I would say.

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[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And most parents are too lazy or too tired to police their children

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 104 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

How can we help them make more friends? How can we get them involved in real-world activities that will diminish their time spent online?

By locking them into suburban houses with no places to go without being driven by their parents, until they're old enough to drive. 🇺🇸🇨🇦

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And then making cars impossibly expensive, teenage boys uninsurable as drivers, wages hilariously low, and reliable transportation a prerequisite for employment.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Those profits aren't going to make themselves!

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I used to go to school by bike with friends, nowadays there is car traffic congestion to drop off kids at school

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the 2000s my elementary-school step-son wasn't allowed to walk, bike or skate to school. Also, they didn't get to keep a locker. Fuck teaching personal responsibility! 6-yo children, bent double with giant backpacks. All they needed were coolie hats to complete the slave motiff. All in all just a nother brick in the wall.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The middle school I went to in the 90's had bike racks. They were old and corroded, most were kinda shoved to the side. I never once saw a bike locked to them, and I got the feeling that you'd get in trouble if you did.

That school was about 60 years old, and was once the town high school, it was in amongst the residential side of town. They opened a new middle school out on commercial land back behind the Best Buy out on the stroad that's only known by its US route number. They installed no bike racks there.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah. Not to mention how much time, effort and money it takes for parents to shuttle kids around to create some semblance of social life. The more difficult it is, the fewer people do it. Growing up in commie blocks, it was impossible to go out the entrance and not bump into some kids playing. You'd go on the balcony and get yelled to come down by some kids outside. We walked alone to school since kindergarten. There were multitudes of small local stores to buy yourself a treat and share it with the other kids. Even the least attentive parents had their kids get socially functional by society. This sort of thing is possible in some places in North America but I think it's the exception rather than the norm.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 88 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Sooooo… when are we gonna admit that men’s mental health is unfortunaly heavily tied to their career prospects?

No, not yet?

Okay I’ll keep waiting.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 109 points 1 week ago (15 children)

sigh

It's capitalism.

Men's well being wouldn't be tied to career prospects if it weren't for the rat race we are all brainwashed into since birth that is capitalism.

You have worth as a human beyond your capacity to produce profit.

[–] Saff@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 week ago (42 children)

Yeah and the reason young men are finding it hard to have real life friends and end up on uncle forums is because we lost most of our “third spaces” thanks to them not making money and shutting down or being underfunded or closed if they were publicly owned.

Ontop of this the constant algorithms that push specific topics to people over and over due to it keeping them on the platform and therefore generates income.

It does feel like 75% of this problem could be fixed by stopping corporate greed and fixing our local communities as whole.

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[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You have worth as a human beyond your capacity to produce profit.

This is only true in a vague, wishy-washy metaphysical sense. Fine, whatever, you have intrinsic value. If that warms your cockles, more power to you.

But the extent to which other people value you is entirely dependent on what you can provide to them. This has nothing to do with capitalism. Do you think that in a socialist society, a person who refused to do any work at all - not because they couldn't, but just because they didn't feel like it - would be shown general love and acceptance and kindness? No! They would, at best, be tolerated and given the bare necessities to survive - but they wouldnt be celebrated. Do you think primitive tribes love and support the lazy asshole who never contributes and just expects food to be brought to them every day? No, of course not! They kick that motherfucker out when they are dead weight.

And what you "provide" for other people doesn't have to make money. But it does need to provide some kind of value. Do you have a beautiful smile that brightens peoples' day? Are you tall enough to reach things on the top shelf, and willing to reach them for short people? Can you make hilarious dolphin sounds at parties? Are you a supportive friend who listens to others' struggles when they are down? No? You just sit your ass on the couch all day and watch TV and interact with basically no one? Then why the fuck would you expect anyone to value you, when you provide no value to them? This is not a capitalism problem. This is a human solution. Dead weight gets dropped. Period. Always has, always will.

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[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (29 children)

Seems like a huge part of the problem is equating "self-worth" to "getting laid".

Putting your dick in a woman doesn't make you any more of a man / successful / worth more than anyone else.

Societal expectations need to be rejected. Oh, success is measured by your ability to get married, have a house, and raise your 2.5 children? For a vast majority, NONE OF THAT IS CURRENTLY SUSTAINABLE AND/OR OBTAINABLE. So why bother? Right?

I get it. It ain't right, but I get it.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"It's important to remember that it's not zero-sum. We can care about the well-being of women and girls and also acknowledge that young men are struggling, too. Those don't have to be at odds."

[–] poppichew@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago

Yes, I hate the way that people in media thought they could empower women by creating absolutely moronic and attractive male characters that they could sexually harass. Like, what!? That's not the way! I think people in general need more support because we've sort of nullified the way support networks used to exist.

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[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well, everybody in the manosphere is a toxic idiot/asshole, no matter what particular brand of stupidity they follow. It does feel very similar to religion, though. Some sects might be more violent, but they all follow some made-up shit.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

It is semi-religious in that every single head in the "manosphere" is just a leader of a cult of personality.

It may be true of humanity in general, but it's definitely true of Americans that they just love themselves a good cult.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's pretty easy to give up trying to build a future for yourself when it has been made abundantly clear to you that your future is not part of the grand plan.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

"De-radicalization is a noble, worthy line of research," she said. "But the existing evidence from that field of study suggests that prevention is easier and more effective than trying to pull these people out once they're already in." Potential strategies might include fostering better digital and media literacy, i.e., teaching kids to be cognizant of the content they're consuming online. Exposure time is another key issue.

The education system world-wide is quite bad. Yes, it's better than nothing, but still, its not good. Media and online literacy are part of the smallest subset of curriculums. As a whole, the education system fails at preparing most people for life. It's even bad at preparing people for a vocation, its seemingly intended goal.

With better education, traditional mindsets would be much less common. I mention this because in my opinion the major cause of being an involuntary celibate and considering that status a problem, is traditionalism. That attaches self-worth to achievements in life and tightly couples success with partnership and parenthood.

Better education creates more free thinkers and independent individuals who are not easily controlled or swayed by popular narrative. They are not immune to it, nobody is, but giving humans a toolset for critical reasoning can go a long way.

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[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Incel is just a pejorative that makes them get even more blackpilled. Use "emotionally unstable" or even "constitutionally weak", because if they knew the real issue, they'd be more predisposed to actually fixing themselves so that they can also get laid.

Also, legalize sex work. Just get them laid. Watch the alt right and fascism crash harder than a drunk driver speeding at night.

[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)
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[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (8 children)

We need a new Judo craze in America.

What happens when you do Judo?

You become confident, and typically very humble. You also get fit AF.

What happens to guys who are confident, humble, and fit AF? They are viewed positively by women.

It’s hard work but very fun. You do need decent health insurance though because it’s easy to get injured. The younger you are when you begin, the easier it is.

You can do BJJ instead but that’s way more expensive and not always so humble.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I took kung fu as a teen and I remember my teachers telling me a story about how the grandmaster essentially beat up a homeless person for asking for money.

I think they were trying to communicate how badass the grandmaster was but it just made him seem like a dick.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Lol, there's already an obsession with martial arts in America. I don't think having more people with Joe Rogan brain running around is going to help anyone.

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[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh yeah confidence by physical appearance, the best kind of confidence... Let's hook up him in modern society, maybe we should teach him that there exist plastic surgery too...

Confidence and being humble starts when you accept yourself aa you are and you value that. The hyper fixation of the current state of society of creating gym bros is the opposite.

The only thing about judo is the Zen part, that most of the centers don't teach. Because they are hyper fixated on creating gym bros.

Someone that bases his confidences on what he does is not confidence. Confidence is a self appreciation and it does not depend on what you do.

Society is fucked up if the tip for helping young boy to be confident is to send them all to do martial arts. And I'm especially talking about western martial arts that deviate so much from the original meaning that they have in China or Japan.

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[–] obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 12 points 1 week ago (31 children)

I thought school was for basic education, not getting ready for the labor market.

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