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Wake me up when it's guillotine day.
Day of the rope? The guillotine is too nice.
Are you seriously referencing the neo Nazi Turner Diaries?
That has a different connotation. You might want to look where it came from.
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I'm not saying the climate isn't changing but you have to account for population.
Except the slope of your graph looks like a kicker ramp while OP looks more like a quarter pipe, so it really doesn't look like population growth can account for the uptick in heat deaths
Still a 4x population increase since 1970. The point is op's graph is misleading not climate change doesn't exist. Even then you still have to account for demographics and such. Here's a more dramatic graph for you:
Still a ~10x increase in heat deaths.
And I don't know if it is misleading, why does it make sense to adjust for population here? Like, objectively more people are preventable dying from heat, and "There would be fewer preventable deaths if fewer people were around to die of preventable causes" isn't a very satisfying answer to that problem.
When looking at data on causes of death, adjusting for population size provides important context and allows us to make fairer comparisons over time. The raw number of deaths increasing could be due to a number of factors not directly related to topic. While that isn't the case here, it necessary to factor this in.
However, you raise a fair point - we should not lose sight of the real human impacts and absolute number of lives lost. Behind every statistic is an individual tragedy. We should have compassion for those suffering while also trying to objectively understand the data.
Perhaps there is room for nuance - we can acknowledge that adjusting for population provides useful perspective, while also recognizing that any preventable loss of life to extreme heat is highly concerning and worthy of solution-oriented discussion. If we aim for intellectual honesty and keep our shared goals of truth and human welfare in mind, we are more likely to have productive dialogues on complex issues like this. You'd call out opposing groups if they were to do this, but it's fine if it supports a narrative you agree with? We know the climate's changing we've all stepped outside. It's not necessary to use tactics like this to gain public favor.
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Maybe we should burn more fossil fuels about it
And keep eating meat. "Good karma"
I mean sure, but greenhouse gasses from agriculture are tiny compared to fossil fuels.
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We desperately need regulation for people and workers in extreme temperatures. We'll be dealing with more and more of it as times goes on so the protections need to be in place.
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You can always count on the right winged politicians and voters to prepare for disasters instead of trying to prevent them.
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Only another 100 years or so until maybe temperatures come back down.
Maybe.
Once we are all dead and can no longer emit carbon dioxide?
No, there is a definite decomposition process that will see some heavy emissions.
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And that is why I'll not ever be moving out of the Great Lakes region. Enjoy desertification, southerners.
The less people - the less pollution. Everything's going the way it should, relax.
This is a bad take... Regions affected with mass migration, people without solid infrastructure, AC or clean water, people not able to move are in danger. They are not the ones polluting. Hypothetically you have 50% less people. Great. Think about who is still there and if pollution really is in decline then.
Problem is we're on our way to reach a point where even if we stopped all our GHG emissions, just the melting of the ice caps and thawing of the permafrost will be enough to create a self sustaining global warming event.
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This graph also looks like the number of opioid deaths. I there is a jump of fentanyl deaths starting in 2010 and i wonder if this is related
I looked up news articles after seeing the graph. Seems to be more about elderly and homeless. People touching knobs or falling on the concrete and receiving burns is a thing, but it's trending way up. Like 83C concrete... crazy hot.
The only reason why i said opioid is that i wss thinking people who live on the streets who are one something dont feel shit. Elderly makes sense too.
Cause of death heatstroke with diabeetus and obesity.
How much if that is due to surging populations?
What would that have to do with heat?
Because it's a graph of incidents and not a per capita representation.