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Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever

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[–] krimson@lemmy.world 376 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Horseshit.

The current state of code generated by AI is sketchy at best. I often get plain wrong answers because the model tries to derive. It comes up with calls to functions and properties that just do not exist.

"You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer." Continues to give wrong answers.

Apart from that, apps that are glued together from AI generated code are not maintainable at all. What if there is a bug somewhere and you so not comprehend what is actually happening? Ask AI to fix it? Yeah good luck with that.

I do use AI for simple questions, and it works fairly well for that, but this claim by MS is just marketing bullshit.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 117 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This ^

"20%-30% of code inside the company’s repositories"

Now, if they had said "20%-30% of code written in the past 6 months..." I might buy that.

The repositories are going to have all the current codebase, likely going back years now. AI generated code is barely viable at this point and really only pretty recently.

No way 1/3rd of all current codebase is AI.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even 20% of new code would be a stretch unless they count every first iteration of code written by AI that needs to be replaced by a human later because it was plain wrong.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe they're counting the six iterations of code it gives me as I tell it what's wrong with each one.

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[–] takeda@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They say that because they are selling it.

And yeah, my experience is the same. The most frustrating is when writing in a typed python, and it gives answers that are clearly incorrect, making up attributes that don't even exist etc.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago

I didn’t RTA, but if they mean ALL code at MS, that just can’t be true. They have legacy stuff going back decades, beyond just their windows platform. There’s no way 30% of all their code is replaced or newly created by AI.

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[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 159 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

He used the words "written by software". This is ambiguous and doesn't mean AI, for example, using annotations for variables and generating the getters and setters would count. Right click and create function body for interface function definitions also.

They're exaggerating to pretend their AI is more useful than it is.

[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Intellisense in visual studio has also been really good for over a decade. Which is technically also written by software and not me.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 weeks ago

People have been using annotations to generate code since I rode my dinosaur to work.

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[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 86 points 2 weeks ago (24 children)

So the CEO is trying to tell investors that they are saving money by not paying employees. But to me it sounds more like: we are letting our sub-par products continue to enshitify, and any other company using AI to program will be equal competition.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 63 points 2 weeks ago

That’s… not something to be proud of.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 53 points 2 weeks ago

Power move by the zucc by first asking how much genai is used at Microsoft then refusing to answer his own question at Facebook 😂

[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

Well, that explains Windows 11.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

this makes way more sense than hundreds of shitty devs.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

Even their AI crashes all the time, its brutal.

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[–] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

I bet they’re counting code written while someone had an AI plugin installed as “written by AI” and I bet that accounts for almost all of that 30%. On top of that, I’m betting that they made it mandatory to have such a plug in, and the other 70% is just code written before they mandated this.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I would be very surprised if 30% of their code lines had even been touched at all by anyone since AI coding assistants became a thing.

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[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is my own experience but the past few years Windows has been extremely dependable for me and then in the last few months the updates they’ve have been terrible. I’ve seen more blue screens recently than I have in a lot of years.

All this to say that if it is 30% AI code being used then it’s very telling!

[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Windows was always garbage to be honest, windows 7 was the best release in my opinion. You are correct though it is way worse these past months. By the way does your mouse lag when the update notification comes up?

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[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Everybody saying this is why their products are shit are really confusing me. It's not like Microsoft just started being terrible. They've been terrible for a real long time. Way before AI was a thing. This is just a symptom of Microsoft's awfulness not a reason for it.

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago

Ok, it's like this.
Ms used to release shitty stuff. And they'll continue to release shitty stuff except now it'll be 30% more shitty.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

There were alpha versions of windows 8 with less glaring/annoying bugs than windows 11, though

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This only makes sense if they are counting intellisense auto complete as "AI written"

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[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

So this explains why Microsoft Swiftkey is total dogshit now. Also why the Outlook app barely works.

Its unbelievable.

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[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

"Up to" can also be 0%. Why is there even a need to say "up to" here.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

Government spyware finally has a challenger for the title of "primary reason that most Microsoft software runs like hot garbage".

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

If they mean “30% of the code we wrote last month” then I might believe it. Though I bet it is not across the board but deep in one or two areas. Still, it’s a crazy number.

But he said something like “30% of the code in our repositories” which would mean everything, including their entire legacy of code. And that I simply do not believe.

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[–] FergleFFergleson@infosec.pub 30 points 2 weeks ago

Well, that would explain a lot.

I'm also guessing that at "up to 30%" of the company's leadership decisions are being made by AI too.

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's why their products are so crappy!

[–] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

No way, they get their results through honest effort. Anyone can make crappy AI products now, but Microsoft have been doing crappy products the hard way for decades. Don't downplay their hard work !

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[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 weeks ago

We know Microsoft.

Hardly possible not to noticce..

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 24 points 2 weeks ago

"30% of my pants is pooped"

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Code written by software doesn't mean AI unless you ignore compilers

Executives lie to boost profits and justify their decisions, I doubt MS execs even know how much of their code is AI generated just like the ad sales company exec they were talking to in the article

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm still forced to use Microsoft Outlook and teams, unfortunately, and boy oh boy is it bad.

Yesterday i spent 45 minutes of a 1,5 meeting (that would have been 45 minutes) on trying teams to please try and use the right microphone, please share a screen (not working under Firefox or chrome now, apparently)

I can't wait for the day that I have some time to get us off that dog shit

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[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Work for a big software company. With all the offshoring of devs, I expect most of our code is now AI. And it shows.

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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 20 points 2 weeks ago

This makes sense and would explain the mainline windows versioning and probably the xbox versioning too!

Microsoft to AI: List all the integers from one to eleven.

AI: 3. 95. 98. 2000. XP. Vista. 7. 8. 10. 11.

[–] sqibkw@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Windows hate train looks fun, but as someone who works in the industry, most of that code is probably just unit tests and boilerplate stuff.

Copilot is decent at quickly writing huge amounts of mostly correct, tedious unit test code, depending on your language/framework. And since Microsoft works with languages like C# and .NET for their native apps, and likely backend too, there is quite a bit of verbosity that Copilot can take care of. Also, documentation might count as well.

No real code is AI-generated. He's just saying shit like this to keep idiot investors happy.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Is this why they haven't said why they one folder needs to be there. They actually don't know.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 16 points 2 weeks ago

Boy am I glad not having to touch their software.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And 100% of their product names are generated by AI. No human would be stupid enough to change something's name for zero reason.

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[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I can tell every time I have to use that dinosaur of an OS.

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah that'd explain some stuff. Happy to have switched to Linux

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

“Written by software” does not inherently mean AI.

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