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[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

So, just so I get this right, it's no longer possible to file your taxes for free anymore?

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Thankfully genocide joe opened up free taxes to everybody and put those leeches out of business!

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 147 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

wait you guys have to pay to file taxes????

do they actually want you to evade taxes??

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No. You can file your taxes for free. And, if you ever pay to file your taxes, you're not paying the government, you're paying for tax preparation software or for a tax professional to do your taxes for you.

But! Even if your tax situation is very simple, filing your taxes on your own is difficult. In Europe, the government sends you a form with what they think you owe based on all the information they have on you. If you agree with the calculation, you just send the form back and either pay or receive a refund.

In the US your employer gives you some sheets of paper with some values on it. Your bank gives you some different forms. And so-on. When it's tax time, you gather up all that paper, hope you have it all, try to remember what forms you need and if you have them, and then painstakingly try to copy the right values from the W-2, 1099-INT, and so on into the right boxes on form 1040, 1040 Schedule 1, 1040 Schedule 2, 1040 Schedule H, 1095-A, and so on. Then, you try to do the calculations where it says to multiply the value from 1040 row 43 by the correct value in table A9. A9 has different values depending on how many dependants you have, and if you're filing jointly or alone.

Basically, it's doable on your own, especially if you have a fairly standard / simple tax situation. But, it's easy to make a mistake along the way. If you ever need an explanation about what you're supposed to do, that information exists, but it's in accountanteze, and it often refers to about 5 other IRS publications that just complicate things further. And, when you're dealing with thousands of dollars, a mistake could be really costly. So, most people buy a copy of TurboTax every year for $30, which somehow turns into $60 by the time you're actually ready to file because the $30 version only covers people in situation X, and since you have Y you need to upgrade.

TurboTax then takes $1 out of the $60 you paid them, and goes to Washington with that to lobby politicians to keep the tax code complicated so that people need to buy a new TurboTax every year. (Oh yeah, and things change just enough that every year you need to buy the latest software to file your taxes.)

[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In Europe, the government sends you a form with what they think you owe based on all the information they have on you. If you agree with the calculation, you just send the form back and either pay or receive a refund.

That's not true everywhere in Europe

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago

No? Where don't they do that? Is what they have similar to the terrible US system?

[–] psud@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Australia prefills all the information from employers, banks, share market registers so most people can log onto the government website, go to their tax account and accept the prefilled form

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, most places do. AFAIK it's just Canada and the US that don't.

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[–] jaaake@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The tax system is so complicated, most people can’t handle navigating it on their own. Most people have jobs where taxes are automatically removed from pay checks and sent to both state and federal tax agencies. However, that amount is just an estimate and once a year (or quarter) you need to file paperwork to confirm whether you over or underpaid and then you either get a rebate (without interest), or you’ll need to send in a payment to make up the difference. That paperwork has been lobbied to remain as complicated as possible so that companies like Intuit can provide services that tax payers find useful and continue to pay for. This is more complicated for business owners, both big and small.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, in my opinion this will be a good platform for American progressives to run on: make taxes less complicated by getting rid of middle men.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (15 children)

This will absolutely 10000% never happen as long as lobbying exists in my opinion.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

The rich pay what they want while the workers must pay what the rich want.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 47 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's a little late now, but don't forget that FreeTaxUSA is free for federal and cheap for state. Also much less annoying to use than Intuit TurboTax. They don't do those fake loading animations like "checking the best deal!" As if a computer can't do like a billion of those a second.

[–] pablodaniel@lemmings.world 2 points 23 hours ago

They don’t do those fake loading animations like “checking the best deal!”

This shit should be fucking illegal, especially with something like tax filing software.

[–] scintilla@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago

Genuinely amazing. They are easier to use than turbo tax in my experience.

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[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 39 points 1 day ago

Intuit has been doing this for a long time, just in case anyone was wondering why $1 million seems like a low bribe. And it goes beyond preventing you from filing your taxes for free, with one of their goals being to make it as much of a pain in the ass as possible, so you are too frustrated to do it yourself.

This if from a 2019 Pro Publica article:

But the success of TurboTax rests on a shaky foundation, one that could collapse overnight if the U.S. government did what most wealthy countries did long ago and made tax filing simple and free for most citizens.

For more than 20 years, Intuit has waged a sophisticated, sometimes covert war to prevent the government from doing just that, according to internal company and IRS documents and interviews with insiders. The company unleashed a battalion of lobbyists and hired top officials from the agency that regulates it. From the beginning, Intuit recognized that its success depended on two parallel missions: stoking innovation in Silicon Valley while stifling it in Washington. Indeed, employees ruefully joke that the company’s motto should actually be “compromise without integrity.”

Internal presentations lay out company tactics for fighting “encroachment,” Intuit’s catchall term for any government initiative to make filing taxes easier — such as creating a free government filing system or pre-filling people’s returns with payroll or other data the IRS already has. “For a decade proposals have sought to create IRS tax software or a ReturnFree Tax System; All were stopped,” reads a confidential 2007 PowerPoint presentation from an Intuit board of directors meeting. The company’s 2014-15 plan included manufacturing “3rd-party grass roots” support. “Buy ads for op-eds/editorials/stories in African American and Latino media,” one internal PowerPoint slide states.

[–] TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 day ago (8 children)

A million dollars is all it takes to buy whatever laws you want? That's a really good deal for Intuit.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Politicians get their jobs through an eagerness to bootlick capital.

[–] pablodaniel@lemmings.world 1 points 23 hours ago

If only voters were smart enough to vote for better people.

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Remember all those (exactly) 1 million dollar "donations" all those CEOs were giving to Trump's inaugural campaign? Those weren't donations, they were bribes and kissing of the ring. Pledge loyalty (and pay a small fee) and the government will work for you.

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[–] LucidLyes@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago

If you believe everything should come with a price, you should vote for those who will give you the most money for voting for them, which is probably the democrats.

[–] jared@mander.xyz 50 points 2 days ago

Fuck Intuit!

[–] Bloomcole@lemm.ee 1 points 23 hours ago

Hypocrite warmongering Robbie Reich forgets to mention Intuit Inc always pays more than 70% to Dems.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thanos wearing a redcoat

💂 "And where did it bring you..."

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