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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

They don't care what it does to people, it makes some rich people richer like the alcohol prohibition

[–] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 20 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Wait. I just realized something. One of the significant reasons humans are such amazing creatures compared to the other species is our generational knowledge we can pass down. But we have a saturation point. We need consciousness information downloading. Not immortality. But a way to download Wikipedia to our brains. That's the next step.

[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] Sprawl@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Or vampires.

[–] mapleseedfall@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Nuxleio@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

economy collapsing and all we do is eat hot chip & lie

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You can be bisexual too (until the camps for us filthy gays open)

[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 2 points 8 hours ago

Don’t worry. I’ll bath in the blood of the wicked to protect you. If they come for my gay autistic god son. I will eat the throats of the ones who step through that door looking for war.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The last tariff I personally remember was the 1983 motorcycle tariff signed by Reagan. The Yamaha Virago was seen as such a threat to Harley-Davidson that they pushed for and got a tariff imposed on imported motorcycles over 700ccs engine displacement. Yamaha's answer was to reduce the engine displacement from 750 to 699cc. The 250cc Virago is still in production today, though they install a straighter handlebar on it and call it a "V-Star 250."

[–] Sprawl@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Targeted tariffs are regularly used for specific reasons. We just don’t normally go all AoE with tariffs.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 53 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This is what happens when a populace isn't properly educated.

Prepare for this country to be on a downward slope for the rest of our lives. That's the most likely future for us.

[–] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

The brain drain can already be seen, most have already moved abroad, or are waiting to.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 34 points 20 hours ago

angrily looks at the "verified" badge

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

But this one is different... ... ... I just can't remember how... but I know they said this one is different, so it must be... right?...

Edit: autocorrect

[–] Sprawl@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Glorious leader is a billionaire. We will be fine. He won’t even take a paycheck!!

[–] Colloidal@programming.dev 54 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

If I recall my history right, the 1929 stock market collapse precipitated the Great Depression, and the tariffs were a (misguided) attempt at trying to set the economy straight.

[–] Sprawl@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Did it make it better or worse?

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

In case you are seriously asking this is from Wikipedia.

Intended to bolster domestic employment and manufacturing, the tariffs instead deepened the Depression because the U.S.'s trading partners retaliated with tariffs of their own, leading to U.S. exports and global trade plummeting. Economists and historians widely regard the act as a policy misstep, and it remains a cautionary example of protectionist policy in modern economic debates.

Soooo much much worse.

[–] Sprawl@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I figured as such but since he was saying OP was wrong, I thought it worth asking.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 21 points 20 hours ago

Dont let facts get in the way of a cheeky social media post.

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 66 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

There's in general no way this can work long-term. When nations cooperate, they both benefit. If you're the only nation not cooperating with everyone else, then everyone else will surpass you until you're North Korea levels of yesteryear.

[–] 790@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 hours ago

My macroecon book, which was written by a guy from the Bush administration, hit us over the head with that concept.

It's strange to thing that he'd be considered a pariah by his party's leadership now.

[–] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Looking at this through the lens of "how can the oligarchs benefit", it makes complete sense - Strip all government assistance, remove social nets, add tariffs that will basically kill most small businesses (think also farms, mom and pop shops, etc). Lead to depression, billionaires swoop in and buy up land/homes/business for pennies on the dollar (or just basically crush small businesses to get them out of the way). One couldn't design a better way to fuck over everyone and enrich the oligarchs

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 12 points 19 hours ago

Yup, a fire sale for oligarchs.

[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 198 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Did anyone mention how the 1930 tariffs sparked a wave of retaliatory tariffs by other nations, greatly reducing international trade, pushing a natural resources poor Japan to conclude that in order to survive it needed an empire, so it invaded other countries, committing such atrocities that even Nazi Germany was like "whoa dude, chill", which lead to their participation in WWII, Pearl Harbor and the deployment of nuclear bombs? No?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Japan was expanding long before 1930's. Korea, Mongolia, and parts of China were already under Japan long before 1930.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

Yeah that comment is wildly ignorant of Japan's actions and aspirations pre1930. Fuck Trump and these tariffs, mind you.

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 106 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's quite the oversimplification, and I approve.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 14 points 20 hours ago

There's a lot of oversimplification. But the US embargo on Japan in 1940 led directly to the attack on Pearl Harbor.

The US embargoed all oil to Japan. Japan calculated it had less than 2 years worth of oil before it ran out, so it needed to capture the Dutch East Indies (modern day Indonesia, more or less) because they were a major source of oil. The American puppet state of the Philippines was between Japan and the Dutch East Indies, so they had to deal with that somehow. Their decision was to preemptively attack Pearl Harbor and hope that they could consolidate their gains in the Pacific by the time the US was able to counter-attack.

Japan's actions in WWII weren't directly about tariffs, but they were about spheres of influence, like the Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

A lot of Trump's posturing seems to be about bringing back these spheres of influence. The US wants to control North America, taking over Greenland and Canada, and leave Europe to become part of the Russian sphere.

Haha yeah, but I could do even better:

Tariffs bad because history

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[–] kingshrubb@lemmy.ml 72 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There was also the McKinley Tariff of 1890 that is taxed foreign imports at almost 50% and caused increased prices and consumer backlash and lead to Democrats winning Congress in a landslide.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 30 points 1 day ago

Aren't you glad Trump promised you don't have to vote ever again now?

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 131 points 1 day ago (12 children)

The whole plan was to move production back to the US. The thing though is, that you can't make Americans sit and sew Jeans that sell sell for $15 or assemble electronics for $6/hr

Maybe you could 100 years ago, but there is s a reason why we trade across the world and its not because we are kind. It is because it makes companies more money.

This will be mostly messy for the US. The rest of the world now has tarrifs on the US. But US now has tarrifs on the whole world. Any other country can look into expanding in new markets now, but the US has shut all its doors

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 13 points 20 hours ago

you can't make Americans sit and sew Jeans

You can with

🌈🦄 ✨ slavery ✨🦄 🌈

[–] swearengen@sopuli.xyz 49 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah we can't make everything.

Not only do most of those low level factory jobs suck we simply don't have the workers, we're at less than 5% unemployment.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Nor does the US need to make everything.

The US is a service economy. It makes money through capital and intellectual property. Being the first to innovate means also having the opportunity to wedge yourself as a permanent middle man and charge people around the world to pass go.

Think Uber eats for example. If I order food in Toronto from a Toronto based restaurant fulfilled by a courier in Toronto, 30% of my payment is going to them in silicon valley for managing that order.

Similarly, when you purchase an app on Google or Apple store, they are collecting 30%.

If I am in Norway purchasing a game on Steam from a Norwegian developer, you guessed it, 30% is going to Steam.

This is America's strength now, not making t shirts, shoes or cars entirely domesticallty.

Most of the world was ok with paying the markup for convenience.

Since the US have gone rogue, many are calling for an end for respect to US intellectual property. Perhaps each country should have its own Uber, app store etc so that the cut can stay within our borders.

One case: Uber was charging 30% commission for managing rickshaw rides in India (a country with relatively low purchasing power per capita).

It was only after domestic options like Rapido or Namma Yatri undercut them that they moved to a subscription based model, charging drivers 20 to 40 rupees daily, rather than taking an exorbitant commission of 30% per ride. To India's credit, it has a robust IT sector located in one of its major cities (Bangalore) which helps promote competition in this case.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (5 children)

we're at less than 5% unemployment

So far

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[–] DogWater@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago

This is the thing that makes no sense. All the thinking stops at bring jobs back to the US.

Okay, raw material issues aside, what are these jobs?

They are jobs that left because it was so cheap to do it overseas that it still makes financial sense to ship the product here after it's made.

NOONE IN THE US IS DOING THAT JOB FOR THAT MONEY HERE.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The definition of stupidity is to try things that failed in the past again in the hope to get a better result.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 8 points 18 hours ago

Insanity actually

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (5 children)

Thanks for the insight, stacy! By the way, why are you still posting on a nazi platform? Oh for internet points? Cool, cool.

Edit: Damn, there's more nazis on Lemmy than I thought.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 38 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Because that's the platform that needs to hear it

Circlejerk preaching to the choir is fun, but doesn't reach the people who need to hear it

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[–] AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca 9 points 20 hours ago

Third time's the charm right? Right!?!?

💀

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