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Ontario will impose a 25% surcharge on electricity exports to New York, Michigan, and Minnesota starting Monday in retaliation for Trump’s tariffs on Canadian goods.

Premier Doug Ford warned U.S. governors and vowed to maintain the surcharge until all tariffs are lifted.

Canada has already imposed $30 billion in retaliatory tariffs, with more planned.

Ford also threatened to cut power to the states by April and banned U.S. firms from bidding on Ontario contracts. A $100M SpaceX deal for rural internet was also scrapped in response.

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And Trump cares that these blue states will be cut off why?

[–] Tailzse836@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe a state like NY votes blue in state wide elections, but they vote in a lot of Republicans for the House in districts outside if NYC

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

We are blue in cities.... a lot of house support for Trump comes from those red NYS districts.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, but the other two are, and New York in particular is a very notable blue state.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Not enough, it should be 100% and another thing if we have a surplus that we sell, why the fuck is electricity so expensive in Ontario!?

[–] fake_meows@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It is expensive (the most expensive in North America *) because it is low in fossil fuel generation AND uses a lot of renewables with variable production.

The only way to keep the system stable is to rely on fossil fuel generation outside the jurisdiction to offset the peaks and troughs that happen on short time scales.

Ontario actually pays the bordering states to take away excess energy, and they can do it because their gas fired generation can act in seconds to balance supply and demand.

The power EXPORT from the windmills costs the ratepayers in the province over $1B a year...

Similarly, many of the hydro projects rely on seasonal foreign demand. For example BC produces a lot of extra hydro in summer season, and there is air conditioning demand in California during those months. Its not as if the province can hold that water and use it for heating homes during winter.

(* because of unreliable supplies, large consumers like industry can't actually operate in the province because they cannot get reliable contracts... This is about 1/2 million jobs. This is a big part of how Ontario became a have-not province, actually. I had multiple clients from Ontario's generating sector who told me that they "did not want" to enter power contracts with penalties around outages, so if a car plant loses power they can lose millions per hour, and the power companies didn't want to commit to anything. All things equal, big factories can move to Buffalo NY and pay half the price for Ontario energy... )

Basically, it's expensive because of the costs of remote jurisdiction dependencies and the lack of true self sufficiency.

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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Since Trump wants to complain about the trade deficit, Canada should cap exports to be equal to imports from the US. Poof no more trade deficit.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just cut off the oil, that would do it.

[–] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Alberta makes all their money off oil, most pipelines dip down into the US because Native groups have a fit whenever pipelines attempt to cross certain provinces. Michigan has the same fit about those pipelines, but that's mostly because ships dropping anchor over the pipelines and the ecological disaster that would occur makes them uneasy. Everyone wants oil, but until the world turns into Minecraft and we learn to send liquids wirelessly, someone's fucked.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's too bad they can't just do 50% on MAGA households and non voters. Somewhere in NY there is someone who actively campaigned to prevent this and continues to protest and they're getting a 25% price hike anyway.

At least we can target businesses and billionaires more directly, although unlike the average voter they need a lot, lot more pain before they change.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Yeah, you simply can't micromanage policies to effect another country to that granularity. It's why people should think carefully about who they elect to represent their country to the rest of the world. The US elected a criminal to represent them, so they have to expect they're going to feel some pain by their association with that criminal, whether they voted for him or not.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Why are mostly blue states getting punished for shithead? They should be focusing on red states. They’re the ones who voted for this nonsense.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

DTE in shambles

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