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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 173 points 1 day ago (7 children)

CIA used to kill presidents for less. Sometimes American ones too.

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[–] Ekybio@lemmy.world 184 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Shows his worst self

His honest self

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[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For people curious, here's a complete video. I skimmed through it and it looks like it starts to really devolve a bit after 40 minutes.

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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What a shit show...

This is the weakness of modern democracies... You, as Putin, can just wait for 4 years and there will maybe be an idiot in power, who.ruins everything done before.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's the whole paradox of tolerance, on a slightly different level.

A democratic society cannot allow non-democractic elements such as Trump to use the democratic process. By it's very nature. People will then say "but it's democracy, I should be able to choose whatever I want", yes, except choosing against democracy. Which is by definition not a choice that can be available.

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[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Biden is at fault here too though. He was way too timid in his support for Ukraine, slow rolling aid and self-imposing all kinds of imaginary red lines. For more than two years he acted as if he was going to be president forever, with vapid statements like "we will support Ukraine for as long as it takes", and didn't take into account that there was a good chance that the next president would again be a buffoon who would try everything to undo previous policies.

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[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't know what it can be, but every ounce of me hates both of these men. I don't even want to call them men. I can't think of a possible way that they could suffer and feel the emotion of helplessness and sorrow. Whatever would happen, I don't think they'd care. They literally wouldn't care - because they have the mindset that they are invincible and can have whatever they want.

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 127 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Real Art of The Deal shit.

Absolute fucking masterclass in statesman-like diplomacy.

Genuinely a moment for all Americans to be proud of. Truly, exceptional.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 120 points 1 day ago (1 children)

god maga folk are the most unamerican beyond belief. The whole greatest generation is rolling over in their graves.

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (14 children)

As much as this makes me hate Donald Trump more than I already did, which was already more than I hate almost anyone, the really horrific thing is that a decent fraction of Americans will look at this and think Trump made the right decision, or at least a brave, or reasonable, decision.

[–] Brodysseus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The only brave man in that room was zelensky.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's been a while since I've gone through a whole day being proud of my US citizenship. Today was one of the most shameful.

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