Why is any informational discourse regarding anything not strictly OSI-style open source immediately removed by moderators in this community? How can we expect people to educate themselves through censorship instead of public discussion? I'm looking for an open source licensing strategy for my own startup company and discussing the do's, don'ts or even perception of different licenses and strategies seems highly important to the community to me. I could understand if it was actively promoting something 'bad' or wouldn't mind having clear tags or disclaimers that underline what is or isn't strictly OSI but it feels a bit too rigorous right now 😕

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[–] abobla@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think the mods should at least update the community's rules to justify their removal of some comments.

I recently asked about open source keyboards here. Some people mentioned a keyboard that (as far as I know) isn't open source, but it was mentioned a lot for some reason. There are a lot of comments removed by the moderation, I don't know if this is the best approach.

Maybe the mods should at least leave an explanation in the comments saying: "please do not recommend closed source software", so that users don't scratch their heads thinking "why are there 26 removed comments by the moderation?"

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

True. The best way to piss off users is by enforcing vague rules, or making up a new rule to ban a discussion.

Instead it is best to leave a comment saying the current post will stay up but a new rule will be added and future similar posts will be deleted.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 1 points 1 day ago

I mean, having a big offtopic conversation (like this one is) is something that's pretty legit for the mods to remove. I do understand why the digression about the-company-that-shall-not-be-named in the original keyboards thread was removed.

For the mod to take an axe to the comments in the second post, where people are trying to figure out even what TCTSNBN was and what its deal was, saying that what the mod knows is all that everyone needs to know, and no one is allowed to say anything else, is I think not really something that can be solved with an explanation in the comments or the sidebar. It's not a "detail of the rules" thing. It's a "Do I have enough respect for you to just give an explanation, and trust that people will take it seriously or not according to their own determination? Or do I need to remove anyone with any kind of dissenting judgement and leave only my own judgement, because that's the one that is correct, and people might be poisoned if they see the incorrect one which is propaganda?" type of thing.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you want to talk about software that isn’t open source, there are plenty of other communities, and there’s nothing stopping you from starting new communities.

[–] Glitterkoe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But what if the concept itself is the subject? Context: during someone's quest for a good OS keyboard, the FUTO one was falsely (or probably just naively) presented as an alternative. That comment thread was moderated to bits, but another user was interested enough to start a topic "Thoughts on FUTO keyboard?" which to me suggests they want to learn more about the matter and why it might or might not be OSI compliant. I dove into all mentioned articles in that thread to learn why and lo and behold the entire post was removed before I could thank the useful comment(er)s there. By removing that, other users can't benefit from that discussion if they weren't quick enough.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Please see yesterday’s discussion about FUTO moderation: https://lemmy.ml/comment/16469376

[–] Glitterkoe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Thank you, very informative thread. I'm not accustomed to exploring the modlog, but this clears up some frustration. I'm grateful for the community having mods that care and can understand some issues just becoming to prevalent.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude, just go somewhere that isn't lemmy.ml if you don't like the censorship style of moderation.
I would let it go, TBH. I do get it. I felt the same when I first joined with Lemmy and found I couldn't just say what I wanted to say. I actually tried to make this case to one of the lemmy.ml moderators a few days ago, for exactly this reason. But it sounds like their minds are pretty much made up, and arguing the case isn't going to accomplish much. I think just find a different place instead of adding dispute to the daily menu.

[–] Glitterkoe@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That would be my last resort, indeed. I just want to try open discussion first.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 1 day ago

I generally don't agree with censorship but when people try to argue something is OS but it ain't, it looks like bad faith behavior at that point

My comment got removed because I provided a reason why it was decent product. I guess in bigger context it all blends and ain't nobody gos time to figure out who is a good faith actor anymore

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I guess you are referring to the recent futo topic https://lemmy.ml/comment/16469376 I didn't like it at first either, yet I understand his reasoning and kind of support it.

On reddit, I remember a fitness community that had very strict rules. Whatever wasn't in line with what was supposed to be posted on that day got removed. At first, I hated it, but after a while I understood that it can be important to have a curated sub.

Maybe it should be highlighted that this is about freedom/ liberty?

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

The name of the community should make that obvious.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

!opensource@programming.dev if you want an alternative

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Context:

Too harsh IMHO.

[–] Atemu@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Should have just been a reply.

[–] Glitterkoe@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That was my first interaction, but I've noticed it for other topics as well.