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[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Which country allows their citizens to openly speak about and protest said war crimes?

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 89 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Americans have jesters privilege. We can say anything we want as long as it doesn't matter. As soon as the government thinks it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I thought the Jester's job was to say stuff that DID matter, but he presented it in a way where the king could save face.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 week ago

Facts right...

I would posit you can say anything but the truth that hurts profits or US interests otherwise...

Like calling out Israel 🀑

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Can you post pictures of a tank event in the 80s in China without censoring? Can you talk about these protests ?

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[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Andrew Wimmer was handcuffed and taken to jail on January 22, 2003 because he refused to protest in a ""designated protest zone"" that was out of sight of the President as well as local and national TV news cameras.

A woman, armed with a ""We Love You Bush"" sign showed up at the same corner shortly after Wimmer's arrest. Wimmer asked the police if they were going to arrest her if she didn't move and they said, ""no."" The police also allegedly blocked the national press camera crews and an AP reporter from approaching the protest zone to do reporting.

https://www.aclu.org/documents/dissent-forced-be-out-sight-and-out-mind

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That's a far cry from how china suppresses protests. And really a small individual example. Overall there's a clear freedom of expression and civil protest in the US. The same absolutely cannot be said about china.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago

Well the US doesn't. China is hard to say because it's not constantly at war

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Like, the Netherlands or something maybe?

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] kautau@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

And the top comment on that video is defending the police, fascism has it’s hold in many places

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (12 children)

China, but also the PRC hasn't been in a war in like 50+ years. Meanwhile the US killed a million innocent people in Iraq, and goes after whistleblowers like Assange, Snowden, and Manning for speaking out about its war crimes. And the Obama administration prosecuted a record number of whistleblowers, and had a zero tolerance policy towards them.

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

ΒΏPorque no los dos?

[–] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 4 points 1 week ago

It is not either or, folks. Both are bad for similar and different ways!

[–] belastend@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

Finally, a sane take

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