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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here πŸ”πŸ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

Edit:typo

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[–] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

EDIT EDIT: Infomaniak is only available in Europe! Infomaniak is only available with a European phone number, so using a VPN won't help! πŸ™πŸ‘Ž

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 10 points 3 months ago

Damn it my two year subscription just got refreshed...

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

Thank fuck I didn't get that subscription, I was looking into getting a secure mail service. I engaged with people calling proton a CIA honeypot, investigating what was up with the rumors and I was about to jump into bed with proton.

[–] bpev@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Yo so question for y'alls: what's your opinion on using custom domain (for portability) vs masked emails?

Rn I have my main emails on my personal domain, and then I have masked emails going through xxx@fastmail.com for more anonymity + segmenting (err i mean just being able to disable a certain address individually) . But watching all this reminded me that if I decided to move away from fastmail, i'm much more locked-in this way. Do y'alls use a custom domain for masked email as well? The one thing I don't like about that is that it'd be so easy to connect multiple accounts based on domain, so anonymity is probably kinda broken.

[–] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I use a custom domain for basically all emails since I care more about portability than anonymity. Each account gets its own address, and if a site gets hacked and I start getting spam then I know which one it was. If I really wanted anonymity for something then I would use a randomly generated masked email.

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[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I've been very happy with disroot.org, but you have to do your own encryption (I use Thunderbird).

I think I pay $10 per year for 5 GB, but they have a free plan.

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[–] Roopappy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've been doing research into this because I want to degoogle. Looking for hosted and secure Mail, Calendar, Drive... maybe docs if possible. I don't mind paying as long as I'm a customer and not a product to be sold.

My short list was: Mailbox.org, Zoho, and Notion.

Then there are the services I don't understand as much because I don't really want to self host or step into server maintenance... NextCloud, OwnCloud, LibreCloud, OnlyOffice. Maybe someone could straighten me out with those if I'm off base.

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I was mulling moving everything from Google to Proton. Guess I'll keep my money for now.

[–] tomatol@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically?? Including self-hosted options

[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Immich if you want really good photo backup. Nextcloud if you want a full Drive replacement

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[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 6 points 3 months ago (7 children)

is tuta the new pick for custom domain email?

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

I swear by Njalla, which is run by Peter Sunde

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.

I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.

Getting to the top 1% income bracket is a lot easier than maintaining that financial position.

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