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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 19 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

WE ONCE HAD STREETCARS LOOK WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

The Ford Motor Company decided that streetcars weren't a proper mean of transportation, both for the US people and for the Ford Motor Company shareholders.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Still my favourite form of transport

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 18 hours ago

the virgin bus route weeps and gnashes at the feet of CHAD STREETCAR

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 6 points 18 hours ago

You walk to the fucking grocery store. I know it sounds wild but we have legs so we can use it.

[–] fnrir@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is the most offensive and derogatory form of ableism. I'm reporting this and I'm tagging you as "Person who hates the disabled" and I am not going to spend even a moment thinking about how mass transit or pedestrian pathways might benefit an individual with mobility issues.

[–] fnrir@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Please, add /s. I almost believed you.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

See your comment brings up the big issue I have with the bicycle crowd. I literally cannot ride a bike due to disability , so ride transit right? If my city had a good and reliable transit system i fucking would! But it doesn’t, and it never fucking will. So yes I will give up the car and take transit every day, when pigs fly and my city has a good transit system.

Your way of thinking relies on the belief that transit is adequate in most places, and it sure as hell is not

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

If my city had a good and reliable transit system

That is what is being argued for.

it never fucking will

Urban landscapes change regularly. US metropolises used to be significantly more mass transit friendly, and it took billions of dollars and millions of man hours to ruin them over the course of decades. You aren't trapped in a historical moment forever, you're riding the tide of history just like the rest of us.

Your way of thinking relies on the belief that transit is adequate in most places

My way of thinking relies on the belief that people being reflexively hostile to bicycles degrades future bicycle infrastructure development.

I'm seeing this happen in my home city of Houston, as the current mayor rips out a bunch of newly built bike lanes and bike-share racks because he'd rather the money go towards roadway expansion and policing. $10M/year transferred from bike development to resurfacing roadways of his friends and political allies, so he can tell me that people with mobility issues are best served by River Oaks getting a new coat of varnish.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

My city installed bike lanes all over the place, the cyclists don’t use them. They just zip by you on the sidewalk as the bike lane sits empty

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

My neighborhood doesn't have that problem. You'll see regular big rides with dozens - even hundreds - of riders spilling down the protected lanes.

Nobody rides on the sidewalks if they can avoid it. Where do you live that the sidewalks are even maintained? Around here they're a jagged mess.

[–] Madagaskar_sky@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Wow, well put my dude.

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[–] perfectly_boiled_pizza@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I do this with light rail. Takes 6 minutes with slow walking included. It's pleasant.

Especially in the winter. I live in Norway, so if I use a car I wait for the engine to warm up before driving. (It's better for the engine.) This and removal of ice and snow easily takes more than 6 minutes. I'm really glad I don't have a car.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the world is not like Norway and having a car is a necessity not a desire

I completely understand that owning a car can be necessary for someone, but since I'm lucky enough to have access to good public transit a car just doesn't make any sense for me.

It's MANY times as expensive, the car requires maintenance/repair and driving requires me to be focused and well rested.

Even with zero sleep, a headache, icy roads, a beer in my stomach and lots of stress, I can safely get where I need to go and I don't even have to think about parking when I get there. I can even listen to music or a podcast on really low volume with closed eyes. I hope that more people get access to good public transit.

For a society in the long run public transit is also cheaper per passenger than cars. The difference in cost efficiency grows the more densely populated an area is. Statistically most people on Lemmy live in a more densely populated area than me, so you can probably demand this from your government. Y'all would end up saving money.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The fact people want to get in a car in order to get groceries is beyond me. I'm in Australia, where car brain is also very prevalent, but with many urban places good for walking and PT.

I live close to the shops, and go there multiple times a week because it's literally right there. Driving and parking? Nah, I'm good.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Friends I have talk about ordering groceries so casually. I go onto these apps and see a 20% markup with delivery fees and I'm like what the fuck.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I live in Houston. We have a grocery store in town that has a big apartment block over the top of it. A friend lives there and he jokes that he's taking the elevator to the grocery store any time I complain about traffic or parking.

Unfortunately, living in a posh apartment that's conveniently placed over a nice grocery store means the price of rent is astronomical. So he needs to work as a highly paid attorney in the oil industry to afford to live in a place where he doesn't need to use a car to get groceries.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Well good on him at least for copping the first adopters price haha, hopefully you can put some stuff back where the city bulldozed to put carparks one day 😅 one apartment at time

The ironic (Or perhaps just interesting) thing is that apartments are supposed to be cheaper living because you don't have a front or back yard.

It's vaguely that here, if location is the same apartment is usually cheaper than a free standing house, but apartments are usually better located near public transport and amenities (the whole point), so there's a slight premium for that.

The American description of apartments almost always coming along in the phrase "luxury condos" is perplexing (other than NYC, it seems)

In fairness, in Melbourne we also do not build many apartments. Far fewer than we should, mostly due to regulations and laws not being airtight around owners corporations, aka body corp, and conflicts of interest where the developer awards a building management contract before selling all the apartments... So people are a bit hesitant to sign up for that and apartment living is still a pretty foreign concept to most

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The ironic (Or perhaps just interesting) thing is that apartments are supposed to be cheaper living because you don’t have a front or back yard.

They tend to be more expensive per sqft but smaller than a house you could buy. And there's no mortgage, so you don't need a big down payment to move in.

But apartment living in a private system means enriching a landlord first and foremost. That means whatever the actual cost of the space, you're going to pay extra.

The American description of apartments almost always coming along in the phrase “luxury condos” is perplexing (other than NYC, it seems)

It's just a marketing gimmick. The term doesn't have any legal meaning, so everyone uses it to upsell their units.

Some of the dingest places I've lived have been billed as "luxury".

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

And there's no mortgage, so you don't need a big down payment to move in.

I am not quite following you here. What do you mean there's no mortgage? (Other than if you have the cash, and thus don't need a loan)

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

In fairness, also Australian problems, just to a lesser degree overall (in urban areas)

[–] ghurab@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you are not disabled in anyway and still need to take a transport bigger than a bicycle to buy basic groceries, the design of the city you live in is fundamentally broken.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a disabled person, thanks for remembering us. I'll see these "just hop on your bike and pedal over!" comments and it's kinda saddening.

[–] tino@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There are disabled people in the Netherlands too. And they can move around the city in micro cars, mobility scooters, electric wheelchairs, etc... with confidence, because bike lanes network allows them to go anywhere, with way more autonomy and safety than in any other country.

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[–] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Ideally we could just fucking walk to a small grocery store instead of having to drive to one. Also would increase jobs with more foot traffic.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Taking a train to the grocery store only seems absurd to people who have never experienced a really efficient rail system.

You get what you pay for.

[–] qbus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I used to take the train to the grocery store. It was called the red line in Chicago

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[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 97 points 2 days ago (1 children)

why would I take a train when the store is 3 minutes walking diatance

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's literally communism and also the cause of everything wrong with the economy, that's why!

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[–] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's actually called zoning reform. Bring back neighborhood grocery stores you can walk to. Before I experienced it, I never thought about how convenient it is to walk less than 5 minutes to a grocery store almost every day and do little grocery trips instead of bit multi-bag struggles.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Bring back neighborhood grocery stores you can walk to.

This is actually probably more a federal antitrust/competition law thing than a local zoning thing. Otherwise it wouldn't have happened nationwide. I found this article to be pretty persuasive:

Food deserts are not an inevitable consequence of poverty or low population density, and they didn’t materialize around the country for no reason. Something happened. That something was a specific federal policy change in the 1980s. It was supposed to reward the biggest retail chains for their efficiency. Instead, it devastated poor and rural communities by pushing out grocery stores and inflating the cost of food. Food deserts will not go away until that mistake is reversed.

. . .

Congress responded in 1936 by passing the Robinson-Patman Act. The law essentially bans price discrimination, making it illegal for suppliers to offer preferential deals and for retailers to demand them. It does, however, allow businesses to pass along legitimate savings. If it truly costs less to sell a product by the truckload rather than by the case, for example, then suppliers can adjust their prices accordingly—just so long as every retailer who buys by the truckload gets the same discount.

. . .

During the decades when Robinson-Patman was enforced—part of the broader mid-century regime of vigorous antitrust—the grocery sector was highly competitive, with a wide range of stores vying for shoppers and a roughly equal balance of chains and independents. In 1954, the eight largest supermarket chains captured 25 percent of grocery sales. That statistic was virtually identical in 1982, although the specific companies on top had changed. As they had for decades, Americans in the early 1980s did more than half their grocery shopping at independent stores, including both single-location businesses and small, locally owned chains. Local grocers thrived alongside large, publicly traded companies such as Kroger and Safeway.

With discriminatory pricing outlawed, competition shifted onto other, healthier fronts. National chains scrambled to keep up with independents’ innovations, which included the first modern self-service supermarkets, and later, automatic doors, shopping carts, and loyalty programs. Meanwhile, independents worked to match the chains’ efficiency by forming wholesale cooperatives, which allowed them to buy goods in bulk and operate distribution systems on par with those of Kroger and A&P. A 1965 federal study that tracked grocery prices across multiple cities for a year found that large independent grocers were less than 1 percent more expensive than the big chains. The Robinson-Patman Act, in short, appears to have worked as intended throughout the mid-20th century.

Then it was abandoned. In the 1980s, convinced that tough antitrust enforcement was holding back American business, the Reagan administration set about dismantling it. The Robinson-Patman Act remained on the books, but the new regime saw it as an economically illiterate handout to inefficient small businesses. And so the government simply stopped enforcing it.

That move tipped the retail market in favor of the largest chains, who could once again wield their leverage over suppliers, just as A&P had done in the 1930s. Walmart was the first to fully grasp the implications of the new legal terrain. . . . Kroger, Safeway, and other supermarket chains followed suit. . . . Then, in the 1990s, they embarked on a merger spree. In just two years, Safeway acquired Vons and Dominick’s, while Fred Meyer absorbed Ralphs, Smith’s, and Quality Food Centers, before being swallowed by Kroger. The suspension of the Robinson-Patman Act had created an imperative to scale up.

A massive die-off of independent retailers followed. Squeezed by the big chains, suppliers were forced to offset their losses by raising prices for smaller retailers, creating a “waterbed effect” that amplified the disparity. Price discrimination spread beyond groceries, hobbling bookstores, pharmacies, and many other local businesses. From 1982 to 2017, the market share of independent retailers shrank from 53 percent to 22 percent.

The whole thing is worth reading.

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

Light rail. All the time. Train isn't only Amtrak.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

These “take a train” crowd think that everyone in every city and every town has a subway system or even a functional bus system. It’s like the bicycle people who insist that I don’t need a car, I can just strap my kids to my back in winter and drop them off at school before cycling to work and stopping for errands and groceries on the way home! So easy! /s

If I didn’t NEED a car I wouldn’t drive one, and that applies to most people. But for some reason everyone on here is a 20something city kid with easy access to public transit

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 28 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

“These ‘take a train’ crowd” tend to be also the ones saying “build more trains, light rail, and tram lines, also bike lanes” but who are prevented from making progress at every turn by oil and motor lobbyists. They are very aware of the limitations but generally encourage it because it’s a good thing to do.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 day ago

This dude jokes but when I lived in Harlem I’d take the subway to Columbus circle Whole Foods as it was significantly easier than commuting to the east side on 125 to pathmark.

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