Good and I did not consider a Tesla when purchasing our first EV. We will continue to shop from the Tesla's competition until "Leon" rockets off to Mars.
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the biggest player in the electric vehicle game is having a rough year.
You couldn't tell by looking at the stock price.
because tesla is basically just a pump and dump now considering the board are just musk stooges who greenlight anything he asks and investors are just musk cultists.
I would characterize Tesla stock not as a pump & dump scheme anymore, but as a bet on Musk's position to extract concessions from his political connections. He has got his way already with Trump planning to end EV subsidies that mostly benefited Tesla's competitors, although Trump intended to do so anyway, and he may yet push against regulation that would threaten Tesla's market position in the US, like federal charging standards. He may also get Trump to impose harsher tariffs on Chinese electrical vehicles than he otherwise would, although such tariffs enjoy bipartisan support.
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Reminder that the Tesla strike in Sweden is still ongoing.
As much as I'd like to, I don't try starlink for the exact same reason. (Although Starlink has other reasons why I'm not going to give them any money)
I had to use it for in flight wifi on Hawaiian. I needed to work, and that's the only wifi on Hawaiian. It worked fine, but I was annoyed that indirectly I was helping Musk. I would have happily paid 8 bucks even for worse internet. Thankfully I didn't have to give them any information to use it.
No way I'm giving my money to that fascist, I don't care how good or bad his cars are
Damn shame too, cause the second gen Roadster is the car I've been dreaming of: hard top convertible, sporty, electric, faster than rabbits fucking. But I will never, ever own a Nazimobile.
I hope it at least inspires other automakers to bring back sporty convertibles. Until then I'll hang onto my 350Z Roadster forever. If that never happens, I guess I'll have to eventually convert the car to electric. I'm so sick and tired of every battery car being a god damn crossover. They're too big and corner like shit because of their size.
There's going to be an electric Boxster in 2025.
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"His" cars are dogshit for the price. The only thing they have going for them is they are fast. Which makes them dangerous since people drive em fast and then cannot stop, since huge battery equals weight. The build quality is dog, the rear door will happily close on your fingers, and sometimes it'll just brick itself because F you.
And it'll watch, listen, and report on you the entire time!
I don't see how people fall for these grocery-store smartphone appliances on wheels, but their predictable, dangerously entitled driving patterns tend to check out.
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European view: I always thought I'd love a Tesla when I make the move to electric.
Would never, ever buy one now and it's purely because of mister half a trillion election purchasing oligarch.
100% agree. I used to dream of owning a Tesla, I used to love Elon Musk. But now that I found out who he really is... meh, I'll never ever buy a Tesla.
My parents got one somewhat recently (😒) and I have to say, features are also a negative point. Model Y door override is so inaccessible it might just as well not exist. No haptic control for most things except indicators as they are required by law.
Other than that it's a car like any other, so no reason to support Tesla specifically.
I got myself an i3 2017 a few months back and while you can tell it's a first gen EV and only basic non-BMW features (no Android Auto, only basic BT) I much prefer the i3. No random braking on the road, no crazy lane corrections. Not as powerful as the Tesla, but I drive in Eco, anyway.
I love Tesla for what they did for the EV market, but I'll happily attribute that to the original founders and engineers. M*sk was only PR; if the car was half as tech geeky they'd still be where they are today.
overall EV registrations in Europe have remained stable as competing automakers gain ground.
Which competing car manufacturers are they so I can invest?
Probably Kia and Hyundai
🤷 for some reason hybrids did really well in Europe this year. Probably because some countries have really shit charging infrastructure but people still want to emit less carbon.
The hybrids are bad though unless you live in a house and charge them at home. They don't have the hundreds of kW charging potential and if you charge them at work you often have to go move them during the day because you aren't allowed to leave them in the spot with the charger all day. Contrast this with an all electric vehicle that you can charge 200 km in five minutes at a gas tank.
I used to be really keen on Teslas but a combination of Elon and stories of poor quality and after sales support have killed the brand for me.
They could be the best cars on Earth and Elon's fuckery would be enough for me to do every tiny bit I could to keep their stock as low as possible.
Poor build quality was mostly ramping up to mass production. They mostly got that under control after the first couple years. At least for me, no longer an issue.
I don’t know about support - I no longer read complaints so that probably A good sign, they no longer have the excuse of rapidly growing sales taking all the parts, and they did put money into support starting a couple years ago.
The ceo on the other hand … you really can’t fix that
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Polestar sells something for a similar price and better quality, and without awkward associations with a billionaire nazi.
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RIP Tesla. I will never buy one ever again and now champion against them amongst friends & family. Good riddance.
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Is there a point where Tesla's board will oust him to save the brand?
I personally will never consider a product he's attached to.
I'd support him being attached to one of his rockets at launch
Nope. They are tied to the hip. From what I see the Board are just cashing out as it sinks.
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I'm guessing Elon endorsing the "drive your car into a crowd of Christmas shoppers" party is not going to help.
His own cars have already been doing that more than enough. So maybe he feels a bond with AfD over this incident?
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It's slowly becoming a point of abject loathing. Many of us openly laugh at Tesla drivers, not in the least because they've taken the crown of "deadbeat drivers" from BMW & Mercedes a long time ago. See an asshole on the road? 66% chance it's a Tesla.
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I have a Model 3 at the moment. I've had it for almost 5 years and it's generally been great - cheap to run, quiet and comfortable on longer trips but still fun to drive on back roads.
Recently it had its first major breakdown, and although Tesla service did manage to take care of it, it's got me browsing for new EVs - but now, buying a Tesla is not the foregone conclusion it once might have been.
First, they have been making some truly stupid design choices in their latest facelifts (deleting the indicator stalks and gear selector).
Second, their CEO has now gone completely mask-off fascist.
Third - after a few years for the competition to catch up, we now have genuine alternatives from other marques which are just as good if not better EVs than Tesla's offerings.
I think my next car will likely be a Polestar 2.
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Handed back my model 3 leasing car in September. As long as they are the right wing nutcase is involved I will not buy anything from them again.
other automakers have stepped up to try and fill the gap left by Tesla,
Absolutely, IMO VW group has made a stellar job with the MEB platform, and are selling very good Electric cars at competitive prices.
VW group has of course the VW ID series, Skoda Enyaq and Elroq, Cupra Tavascan and Born, Audi E-Tron 4-6-8, Porsche Taycan.
This is a very impressive lineup IMO. And generally they have lower noise and better driving comfort than Tesla. Allegedly drive assist systems are way better than Tesla. No sudden phantom breaking, and no weird warnings about traffic that is completely irrelevant. Common for all is that they are all very good cars, without the weirdness of a Tesla. VW group has about 14 distinct models, so you have way better chance of finding a perfect fit than with Tesla.
Apart from that, if you don't give a shit politically, we also have some decent Chinese options. Xpeng is very attractive IMO.
The best selling EV here is the Skoda Enyaq, and that's absolutely with good reason, there is just about nothing to fault on that car IMO, it is also my own personal favorite, although I hate to go mainstream.
To quote Elon Musk:
You'd be a fool to buy ~~anything but~~ a Tesla today.
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How come those gods of capitalism aren’t even that good at running businesses? Seems like the whole thing is a sham.
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