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[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 hours ago

Funny that a lot of people see this shit and immediately go but Dem and Rep, this shit applied for a lot of countries that have more than 2 parties. When the more popular parties are all shit people go with "lesser evil".

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Incidentally that's also the effect of not voting for the lesser evil, you can just cut out the two steps in the middle then.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 1 hour ago

So if you don't vote for the lesser evil it gets salty and joins the evil? Yeah i am not voting for that psycho manipulating abusive shit.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Voting for lesser evil is important although the lesser evil is still evil

[–] Roopappy@lemmy.world 2 points 13 minutes ago

You are 100% correct.

Look at OPs meme and ask the obvious question: "Why is this moving to the right, and not to the left? Aren't both options equally possible?"

The answer is that it moves to the side that wins elections.

"Why is the right winning elections" is the much much better question to ask. In the meantime, do everything you can to move the center in the other direction one step at a time, and that doesn't come about by losing elections while standing on principle.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Voting for non evil is the way to go. By keeping to vote for the lesser evil, you get it to become more evil while keeping non evil out of power. This is how the system games you.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago (1 children)

I think depends on the voting system and the election. US has a really bad system with FPTP voting. In that case tactical voting should be used for governor and president but representatives should be voted by the heart to build up better support for third party candidates.

It's also very important to vote in primaries and and party national conventions because those votes affect national policies way more than the elections themselves.

US is very presidential heavy but voting in local elections really counts and allows third parties to slowly build up enough support to create a hung parliament where voting system concessions can be made.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 57 seconds ago

I like to think of it in a "market" way. By voting there is a signal into the market, that their is a demand for a certain political direction. So "stocks" with that profile increase in value. This might be individual politicians, specific laws, parties, or general ideology/values.

Politicians want their portfolio to be attractive, so they get more votes. As a result they will adjust their portfolio of political positions accordingly.

If you vote "tactically" you send a false signal into the market. So instead of getting more politicians to represent the ideas you like, you reinforce them in the ideas you don't like, as that had more buy signals. On the flip side if you send your sell signal, by removing a formally loyal vote from them, you can show them that their portfolio has gotten lopsided.

The difficulty is to think these things longer term. It is not just this election cycle, but 8 years, 12 years maybe even 20 years ahead. The way media and politicians like to represent elections got more and more pointed towards just this single one being the one and only. This is not just a problem in the US, but also countries without FPTP. Also the reporting got less about the specific policies and more about the how and who, turning it into a show of game of thrones, rather than a fight for the best ideas.

[–] WeUnite@lemm.ee 26 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

This is a lie. People just spread this to trick you into not voting so the Republicans win.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 1 hour ago

This is a lie spread by corporate elites that want to make sure both parties align with their interests instead of having Democrats create a popular platform and win on that basis.

Did you learn nothing from hanging on to Biden until even the billionaire donors got scared by his dementia?

[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 hours ago

or voting third party in a backwards outdated voting system like that of the US

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