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[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 131 points 2 weeks ago (49 children)

I literally don't care about the Hunter pardon. Trump pardoned Russian spies. I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷‍♂️

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 weeks ago

Forty-five years of neoliberal salami slicing via lesser-evilism is how we got to this place.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

I think pardoning a child for a dumb drug offence is fine. 🤷‍♂️

His son is hardly a child at 54 years old. Biden is also responsible for thousands of people behind bars because of "a dumb drug offense".

I don't think that Trump should be the bar for morality and ethics in this country. It's lazy to bring him into this conversation.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago

You're right. I should have said "his son" instead.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 104 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Here is the only issue I have with the pardon. Once Kamala lost, Biden should have started to go hog wild with last minute shenanigans in order to give Americans things they actually need. Instead he decided to pardon Hunter a full month before leaving office rather than helping us out and doing the pardon on the last day. Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Now, even if he does do things that will help Americans, nobody will notice because of the pardon.

I don’t know why you’re so concerned for Genocide Joe’s legacy, but if his last 47 months are any indication, he’s unlikely to uncharacteristically give Americans what they actually need in his 48th.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

Not my buddy Jim Crow Joe, it's these damn Republican fascists he considers his friends who won't let him make America great again

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[–] makyo@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

His administration is hopeless at messaging anyway so no one has known nor will they know anything Biden has done.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Who cares if anyone notices the good being done? Do it anyways. How does this prevent that?

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[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 66 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

Yo, we're in Trump land now, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and adapting to the change. Trump already pardoned Jared Kushner's criminal dad, so why not pardon your own son now? The game is changed and if you're still holding on to ethical ideals you're a fool. At the very least Biden is making sure they can't chase his son as part of a witch hunt next year.

People voted for Trump or failed to turn out for Kamila, either way everyone now needs to get used to the new norm.

EDIT: The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son's best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I've ever seen. If this group is actually just a bunch of super leftist and not foreign manipulation then I look forward to watching y'all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 17 points 2 weeks ago

No no no, you don't understand. We're not responsible for the consequences of our voting decisions if Kamala ran a weak campaign.

[–] Naadan@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Not a USAmerican, so not exactly talking about the politics, but some issues.

The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son's best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I've ever seen

Why not?
It's not like Trump is supported by the leftists in lemmy.

It just shows them that Biden is not very different from Trump. They have been saying that and pushing for 3rd parties or other President nominees.
Biden chooses to do this rather than set guardrails or do something to ensure that Trump is not given free reign.

This is further validation for their view.

And since Trump becoming president is a grave thing, does it mean that the Democrats are bad, because they have not done enough to stop it?

I look forward to watching y'all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.

Palestine is being wiped out even under Biden.
US leaving Nato would be big, but we can never know how the effects would be like, right?

[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah it is weird how self righteous liberals react towards being shown over and over that their group is to blame for this shitshow.

But I doubt the US will ever leave NATO without a coup happening in the US. The US would basically lose more than half their geopolitical influence.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 56 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

DNC: We're the friendly fascists. We choose the corporation over the people in all aspects. We still worship the oligarchy the MAGA fascists will incorporate, we just choose the honey of caring about social issues as opposed to the vinegar of hating the others.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 54 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

At this point, of cours ehe should

People will rightfully call him out and then forget about it by tomorrow when trump says something stupid.

Once trump gets in office, no one will ever be able to remember any of this because the shit will be a full never ending flow into a turbine

[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Looking at Trumps upcomming cabinet I am both in horror and anticipation for what is going to happen. We'll either see a slow decline of US power, a world war or just nothing great will happen at all.

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[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not only that, he's never running again, he has literally nothing to lose, and doing this isn't going to affect votes/popularity of whoever runs next.

99% of people in his position would do the same.

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[–] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I love it how the liberals think "Well Trump did it too!" is some kind of own. America is so comically corrupt it is hard to take their government and the people who support it seriously

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[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He's retiring and can help his one son. If I were him, I would have said "fuck it." too...

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I also would have said fuck it and have Trump and friends sent to guantanamo.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago

The time to do this would've been immediately after it was discovered that Trump took classified documents and had them in his home during visits from foreign agents.

The Republicans would've howled about it, but I think it could have been done, at that moment. Like, have the first news about it not be talking about the documents, but simply that former President Trump has been detained and will not be allowed to communicate with anyone but his legal representation, because of suspicion of potential coded communication to enemy agents.

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[–] TBi@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

And the people clearly voted overwhelmingly for fascism. So like, why go against the will of the people?

[–] denial@feddit.org 25 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

In the end, if people aren't willing to vote against fascism, you cannot prevent it by establishing new rules (or in this case breaking the old ones).

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago

You can’t vote your way out of fascism but you can certainly vote your way into it.

Maybe one of these days the liberals will fucking learn from history.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I'm torn.

It's bad to pardon family, but at the same time, I'd fully support pardoning a random person who had a no-prison plea deal the judge threw out after the defendant admitted guilt.

Especially when the crime that resulted in a jail time sentence is one that's almost exclusively used as an add-on for violent offenders. Any person with a medical Marijuana card and a gun or who ate half a gummy at a friend's house in a state where it's legal while their gun was locked in a safe at home has committed the same crime.

But it also looks bad for him to pardon his son, and Trump's sycophants will absolutely cling to this.

[–] AgentDalePoopster@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I agree with you that the sentencing was incredibly unjust and clearly politically motivated. I'm just incredibly frustrated that Biden is not doing anything that's useful to Americans during his last few months in office.

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[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

When in the fucking history of the USA has this shithole fought against fascism?

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

WW2, but it was a side objective, kind of a bonus

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[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I’m not saying it was right, but Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.

I’m not saying he didn’t deserve it, only that it wouldn’t have happened otherwise.

I don’t know that this is worth making a fuss over.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.

If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them "has it the most rough" to "least rough", I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.

[–] AnneVolin@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.

Exactly. What crackhead is getting off on a gun possession? That's a slam dunk for a DA to put numbers on the board.

Libs just have their heads up their asses. Legalities around guns + drugs have been the corner stone of state suppression for decades. Libs love screaming about freeing their favorite rapper or how Regan is a hypocrite that passed gun control in CA, but suddenly pretend it's not typical when their guy's son catches a case.

My big issue with it is basically summed up by this meme. By doing this he's established that he's willing to break promises and take advantage of systems that republicans are abusing, but only when it benefits him personally. He could executive order a bunch of different things, and go on a pardon spree, but what he does with his power is just to pardon his son. Unlike the rest of us, a Trump presidency will basically not affect him at all, and the little it would/did has to do with his son and he doesn't even have to deal with that.

Do I want his son in prison? No, not really. But considering he all but lied about being a 1 term president and refused to step down making a primary impossible, which at least contributed to the dems loss, it's an extra slap in the face that the only real consequence he had to face is able to be erased by a stroke of his pen, and yet he seems to be doing nothing to protect or help anyone else who has been hurt by his decisions. I don't think Hunter should suffer because of who his dad is, but his dad is making (and has made) us all suffer and is unwilling to do anything about it.

I'm not making a fuss about it, but if I was, it'd not be about the pardon, it'd be about how his big move as a lame duck with immunity confirmed by the Supreme Court is to get his son out of prison and watch everyone else suffer.

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[–] SaintWacko@slrpnk.net 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I really can't blame him. If I were Biden, I would not want my child in a justice system controlled by Trump and his cronies

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were "the good people". It's just so ridiculous.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They didn't punch us directly. They paid people for that. That's why they are better than everyone. See how they sit above us?

You really start to get all those older writings about the dangers of upper classes cause they really do get apathetic and assume moral superiority just on existence after a while.

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