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Virtual berlin wall crisis. Americans have drawn the whole lemmyverse with their election shit and now they whine because people comment mean things on their internet.

Most people on here don't mind being exposed to different viewpoints. If you ask me, even some - or even most, IDK - tankies are fine to talk to, even argue with, as they are usually civil.

The problem is that there are a lot of users on the *.ml instances who are not interested in debate, they just keep repeating the same 2-3 slogans over and over again in smug superiority as a reply to everything, and mods ban people randomly the same way.

When you meet some users who reply "you are misled by Western media" to anything you say as a final and incontrovertible argument, that's not a good faith debate I'm willing to participate in.

The problem is not the differing opinions, but the differing norms for polite conversation and good faith arguments.

Right? The gensiders whining that their fav gensider lost are gonna give lessons about censorship it's pathetic X)

We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view

I will try to formulate this as well as I can:

"One should not give a platform to instances which don't give a platform to others."

Examples (based on hexbear):

• in some communities you get banned for voting the wrong way --> other instances don't practise banning for votes

• in some communities you get banned for being "reactionary" (that is, factual - Wikipedia would get banned just as quick) --> other instances only ban bigots, not people who politely disagree with locals

• in some communities, there is no obvious recourse to get a ban reviewed and reversed --> on other instances, there is a metacommunity about management or instructions about how to challenge a ban

The result: certain instances are granted a platform by others, but aren't granting a platform to "foreigners" in return. And management habits in some places are straight from North Korea.

Defederating from an echo chamber doesn't make your instance an echo chamber, unless you follow up by adopting the policies of the echo chamber you defederated from.

Personally I would like to be able to talk to people with different views, in a civil manner. But Lemmy.ml doesn't seem to want that. If you post something that they don't like (even if it's a very moderate view and is expressed in a completely civil way) then they ban you. They seem to really hate moderate people.