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Basinski said space for bike lanes should not be viewed as contributing to congestion. โ€œOne lane of mixed traffic can move up to 2,000 passengers per hour in optimal conditions. However, a dedicated bike lane can move up to 12,000 passengers per hour,โ€ the letter reads.

โ€What problem is this (the proposed legislation) actually solving?โ€ Basinski said. โ€œIf anything, it seems to move us backward, away from the common goal of creating complete, livable and sustainable communities that are accessible to all Ontarians, regardless of where they live.โ€

The City of Toronto estimates the cost to taxpayers for removing these bike lanes could reach $48 million, with the city already investing $27 million in their construction. Restoring vehicle lanes will likely offer minimal improvements in travel time and undermine the public health, environmental and economic benefits of active transportation, the report warns.

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[โ€“] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Do the planning experts also call out how nearly every part of the associatiated bill will actually achieve the oposite of its goals? No amount of additional highways will end gridlock in such dense cities, we need alternatives that are not just more lanes. The idea is so bad the law if passed will pretty much make it impossible to stop them from building hwy 413. If the idea was a good solution, you wouldn't need to write into law that no one can stop you.

This law could set ontario back by decades. We are already decades behind on transit, mobility, and housing. This law would just make things worse while also extending the climate crisis, the housing crisis, and increasing municipal roadway maintaince and construction costs, while they already cannot afford to maintain their exisiting roads and sprawl. There will be a wave of roadway expansions and additional lanes to roads this highway leads to.

Its like we are trying to build the worst country we can and we keep pretending the 50s was peak civilization. We ignore legitmate studies about induced demand. We make it impossible to build housing that isn't single family homes. We hold no accountability to a politician involved in a multi billion dollar land scandal.

[โ€“] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They could remove the bike lanes and replace them with bigger sidewalks to fuck with Ford

[โ€“] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ford would write a new law that bans bikes from sidewalks because they are a danger to pedestrians. You still can't get a crosswalk in front of the school though, that might slow down drivers.

[โ€“] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bikes are already banned from sidewalks though.

[โ€“] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Banned but not strictly enforced

[โ€“] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rebrand existing bike lanes as side walks

[โ€“] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think they made "multi use pathways" follow the same new rules so even this won't save them

[โ€“] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago
[โ€“] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

โ€œOne lane of mixed traffic can move up to 2,000 passengers per hour in optimal conditions. However, a dedicated bike lane can move up to 12,000 passengers per hour,โ€ the letter reads.

Sounds like we need to remove car lanes province wide to keep Ontario moving, eh?

[โ€“] fourish@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How do they calculate the numbers in this letter?

Rather than โ€œup toโ€, I want to know how many passengers are actually moving by car and bike per hour right now.

[โ€“] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The bikes per hours right now is a flawed stat. The system hasn't been installed long enough to get great use and there are still some areas that are not well connected. It takes a well connected network and some time for cyclists to commit to routes.

[โ€“] fourish@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It probably shouldnโ€™t be quoted then as itโ€™s flawed.

[โ€“] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The "bikes right now" stat would be flawed. The "up to" stat that is quoted is less flawed as its the theoretical max and is calculated similarly to theoretical max cars stat.

[โ€“] fourish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Still curious how they calculated it. Wonder if the methodology is published anywhere.