three sources familiar with the matter
Anonymous sources. On the one hand, this is weak tea, but on the other, I wouldn’t put it past the Biden administration at all.
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Reuters and NYT are reporting it. Those outlets get their talking points straight from the white house. There is little reason to doubt this.
Things were going way too quietly since the election. This is probably the first step towards starting the major conflict
The craziest thing of our time is that right-wing bigots claim to end the war fast with peace talks, while so-called “progressives” are going to prolong their proxy war as long as there is at least one Ukrainian still alive.
"claim" is the key word in that sentence.
You're 100% correct here. My observation is based solely on Trump's rhetoric and i also have heavy doubts that he will stop the war and bring peace to war-torn area. Anyway, if he really tries and succeeds, it would be twice more embarrassing for his predecessors, as it would mean that they could have done the same, but instead preferred to have tens of thousands Ukrainians killed and dozens of Ukrainian cities razed to the ground.
Thats how i read it too, no worries.
I'd be shocked but who the hell knows at this point
End the war fast by giving up land, and the people on that land. If you know anything about history Ukrainians under Russian rule is a completely unacceptable outcome to anyone but complete psychopaths.
The peace proposal is for largely Russian speaking/ethnic regions of former Ukraine to stay Russian after their recent liberation.
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It's only for four months. Putin doesn't mind how many Russians will die until Trump gets in and tells Ukraine to surrender his buddy.
What is the point of drafted Ukrainians dying for the next four months? You already accept Ukraine will inevitably surrender.
If Putin doesn't care how many Ukrainians die, why is he even averse to hitting their rail lines and electrical infrastructure? They clearly save these attacks for retaliation when negotiations fall through yet again and the bellicose US statements get out of hand yet again.
The whole mystification of Iran and Russia's clear strategy of "fuck off so we can stabilize and develop" that inevitably results in risks to our own stability is too funny. Western orientalism is strong in 2024 as it was in 2001.
Russia doesn't benefit from destabilized hostile states on its border. What about that is so hard for liberals to understand? Putin and the oligarchs literally wanted to loot their country and sell shit to the west and you idiots have driven them to China. I should thank you, but you didn't have any say in the matter.
Just wanna point out that in this initial reply to the comment tree, you did the exact same thing I just called you out on:
Misrepresenting (or to not assume malice, misREADING) another comment to then spin your entire narrative around that error.
They said:
Putin doesn’t mind how many Russians will die
You base your retort on:
If Putin doesn’t care how many Ukrainians die
"this already shows you are terrible at reading. How am I supposed to expect you to treat anything else I show you seriously when you cannot even read your own material?"
You cannot be serious, this is a distinction without a difference. I can't believe you've managed to find a way to fence sit between your own position and mine. Yes, to add to your inability to read, you seemingly intend to exhaust my energy by arguing about meaningless nonsense. You have the attitude of someone who does not value their time.
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Ah so putin is the good guy whos checks notes liberating the ukraine and totally reasonable in his target choices?
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You're ignoring the "USSR" - acquiring neighbor states to loot also. What if Ukraine and Chechen, etc, want to be left on their own?
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