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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not a hard problem to solve. It's not hard to see the reasoning behind a desire for self driving cars. Anyone who lives outside of a big city in the US knows this.

Roads are already present. Traffic control is already present.

Tie the goddamn roads to the goddamn traffic control and have it coordinate the cars. The cars input their destination, and have radar to stop the car to prevent accidental collision.

The problem is people don't like that they can't get to their destination faster, they don't have the freedom of choosing their exact route, and they can't just rev their engine whenever they want.

It's not mass transit, but it solves the final distance problem.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

I remember reading something (unauthoritative?) about Microsoft (maybe it was a decade ago at least) working on self driving cars and deciding the only way to get it to work safely was to put rfid tags in the road and the other cars and the postboxes and the children and the everything.

[–] scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Didn't Elmo muskrats tunnel end up causing more traffic?

[–] CuriousRefugee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If tomorrow we banned non-self-driving (NSD) cars, sure. But in most countries, grandfathering in old cars is going to happen for a while. Which means that self-driving and non-self-driving cars will have to share the road.

I could see some transitions possibly. For example, on a 4-lane highway: "In 2027, lane 1 will be separated by a barrier and only allow SD cars. Lanes 2-4 will be for NSD cars only. In 2029, lanes 1-2 for SD. By 2033, NSD cars will be banned on this highway."

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 22 hours ago

Self driving cars are terrible for privacy

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

time is a straight line. the circle is only for the easing of the incomprehending mind

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Building railway tracks to achieve universal coverage for the entire US without be a massive undertaking that would require a huge effort over multiple decades. Compared to that, building self driving cars is downright trivial. Let's not forget that they exist already, albeit in limited areas. People should not let their (justified) anger at Musk blind them to reality.

[–] rImITywR@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Building roadways to achieve the current coverage for the entire US was a massive undertaking that required a huge effort over multiple decades. Compared to that, building railways is downright trivial. Let's not forget that self driving trains already exist, but self driving cars don't. People should not let their status quo bias blind them to reality.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, but the roadways are here now. And this discussion is moot anyway. Trains aren't happening. Self driving cars are maybe happening.

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You wouldn't need to maintain as many roads if you converted some percentage to rail (which is much cheaper to maintain) so it could be an investment

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[–] rImITywR@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

That's what I mean by status quo bias. Just because there are roads now doesn't mean that those are the only option. We have spent a fuckton of money and a fuckton of effort over the last century building these roads. But the problem is that cars don't scale. Self driving or not. So as we continue to spend fucktons of money and effort on transportation, we should allow ourselves to consider all options. Rebuilding all roads to accommodate self driving cars (as the original tweet implies) is probably the worst option. There are options that are better for the economy, better for the environment, and better for people.

Also, I don't think any serious person is suggesting replacing ALL roads with rail. Obviously, roads are an important part of any transit network. It's just that we should not ONLY build roads, and not build ALL roads ONLY for cars.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

OK, I'm with you there. High speed trains are great for long distance transport and subways, light trails etc. are great for cities but they'll never replace cars. Self driving cars (or buses) are great in theory if they ever work. There is no one solution that fits all use cases. The reasonable thing to do is to work out what works best in which situation and then do that. Oh and cycle paths. We need a whole lot more of those.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

Self-driving cars are happening. Tesla is an industry joke.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Musk's crap can't even operate autonomously. Waymo and Zoox are on the lead now.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That was my point.

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[–] Deello@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

So bike lanes but for cars. What could go wrong.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Trains don't self-drive, though.

Edit: Okay, for the pedants: most trains don't self-drive.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 18 hours ago

What? The train in my country are mostly self-drive.

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Someone has never been to most airports. Or Disney World.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not most trains. Those are highly specialized and constrained applications. There are already self-driving taxis in certain defined city areas, so they're still ahead by that standard.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was in Barcelona last month and the metro was automated. Some trams in Switzerland too when I was there two months ago

I'm not a city person but I assumed that was just normal now.

Dunno if you're from NA but if so just remember you might be a decade behind on public transport

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most trains aren't public transit, either. They're freight haulers.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Dunno if you're from NA

Ha ha yep

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io -1 points 21 hours ago

Europe has freight trains too.

I don't see why this is a point worth quibbling about. The "gag" is that rails are designed for self-driving vehicles, but most trains are not self-driving. It's only relatively recently that any of them are.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

DLR trains do, and several airport trains.

Some London Underground lines have drivers that only intervene in the automatic operation of the train in an emergency or abnormal condition.

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