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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.

It wasn't high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn't see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.

People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they've repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.

Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They're leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there's nobody left to blame now but the party itself.

[–] pinkystew@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her

Nobody voted for Trump because he was "more left than Hillary". That's not why anyone voted for him.

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 21 hours ago

I personally know many who wanted the US out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria, and trusted Trump over Hillary to do it. I know no-one who openly wanted the same and voted for her. I myself voted third-party the last two elections before this year, and Biden has only escalated our entanglements in middle-eastern conflics.

Jesus, just look at Biden's rhetoric on Israel and Iran. Its downright bizarely pro-war, pro-genocide(in its failure to remotely acknowlege such is happening), and absolutely tone-deaf to what voters want.

The fact that you yourself have now said what you've said on the topic proves the opposite of your claims. You know no conservatives today, and you mock the notion that anyone is against the war more than you point out any reason anyone should have voted for Harris over Trump.

Muslims were a DNC lock-in vote till now, and absolutely no-one failed to warn them that was changing.

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 21 hours ago

They absolutely were compelled by his opposition to international conflict and intervention - which was a huge part of Clinton's legacy as SoS.

[–] shadowfax13@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

i believe what he meant was that “trump won despite being on left of hillary” which goes against the dnc propaganda at that time that sanders was not electable because america will never vote for leftist views. add that hillary was stupid (or corrupt) enough to not give anything to her voter base while trump did. shows how out of touch dnc had become.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

At her Michigan Rally two days ago she vowed to do all she can to end the war in Gaza. Granted it was way too little too late. No idea why she waited until a day before the election to say the thing everybody has been wanting her to say since the beginning.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Harris actively banished Gaza from her campaign. She did not allow Palestine at the DNC. She promised to keep sending weapons to Israel. Her position was extremely clear.

Vague lip service two days before the election means nothing.

[–] 7toed@midwest.social 11 points 1 day ago

The writing really was on the wall, unfortunately

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 24 points 1 day ago

It's not a war, it's a genocide. The UN is able to call it a genocide. The Hague is able to call it a genocide. The fact that Harris refused to acknowledge it as a genocide meant that nothing further would actually be done.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 18 points 1 day ago

Because she saw that she was gonna lose. Or thought it would fly under the radar to not piss off more but somehow convince others that she meant it?

The Democrats seemed to have thought the election a game that could be won with clever tactics and moves the whole time instead of meeting the challenge head on. Truly a shit show of poor party management.

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 day ago (4 children)

"vote for a ceasefire" is the ceasefire in the room with us now? Because I'm not surprised people DIDNT vote for someone who was the fucking president but refused to pressure to end a war because it could be used as leverage in an election campaign.

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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Straight up Reddit tier cope from liberals this last week. If you wanted to win don't turn away 15 million people from your base to pander to a bunch of MAGA voters who were always picking trump regardless. Absolute fucking morons.

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[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Harris wasn't pro ceasfire in Gaza, please stop gaslighting people.

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[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 115 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Too complicated for 90% of voters to comprehend.

They saw: Democrat president made my groceries more expensive

They heard: Democrat replacement will do things around the same as they used to be. Republican guy is going to do things VERY differently.

And the herd mentality took over past that point

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 29 points 1 day ago (18 children)

You can’t honestly think this is true. People didn’t switch—at least not any significant percentage. I think it was a 1% swing. People stayed home.

The democrats don’t own the votes of people. They swung for the neocons. Leaving the people who’d been arrested for sitting in their schools for not liking a fuckin genocide to sacrifice their values. Again. It’s always on those of us that want better to sacrifice our values to keep the wolves from the door. While the Democratic Party opens the back door for them when they hold the keys anyway.

They are doing the same thing over and over, shutting out even a middle of the road progressive like sanders. And then they expect to hold onto voters who want real change? They can’t promise more and more of the same and then expect people to get excited. This is 100% on them.

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[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Weak platform my ass. Half of the US population is simply too brainwashed to even comprehend what Kamala offered them.

[–] Lemmy_Cook@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Half the population can't accept basic reality anymore.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (20 children)

This is why abandoning the "grocery store" strategy for "trump said naughty words" was a huge mistake.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Their platform was weak.

They ran an old man with brain damage for most of the campaign.

His replacement spent two months of campaign time telling poverty wage workers to be joyful and didn't even put a platform on their website until a few weeks before the election. Watching that felt very tone deaf and condescending.

The other meme they repeated was how weird Trump and Vance are, as if they didn't already objectively know the voters don't care about that.

They didn't run a good campaign.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 23 points 1 day ago

2 days before election Harris announced legalized marijuana and 1 day before that she mentuoned she would be ok looking into Gaza more.

Her "first time homebuyers" aid was actually only for first generational homebuyers mainly immigrants and who had rented from a corporate owned apartment complex for 2 years.

Her business aid plan was for people who already had a business operating in specific cities and areas for "black men and others" to get loans. emphasis on "others" being her's not mine.

It was a campaign of protecting status quo first, not people. While telling them they didn't realize how good they had it.

Weak is an understatement.

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well I'm glad we dodged having an old man with brain damage in the White House... ooh wait.

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