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Honestly if someone were to have said that garbage to him 40 years ago he prolly would have called it unAmerican and communistical.
It is weird to watch the ethical scoliosis happen in real time over the decades.
As a pedestrian, I'm glad not to support big bike chain lube, I'm saving dozens of pennies annually
Oh, you're one of those shills for the shoe-leather industry! π
Dave Ramsey is an out of touch asshole though.
Normies love larping his boomer takes tho haha
Insurance payments for teenage boys are INSANE. $100-150 is the usual but my buddy is paying literally $300 a month on a year 200X Tahoe that he bought for $700 and fixed himself. Its the cheapest option on his families insurance and his parents won't let him switch.
That's not even payments that's INSURANCE.
Giving teenager a tahoe is a liability lol
Yup, when I was 18-23 I was the primary driver of our car, but we put the insurance and name under my gf (now wife) and it was half the cost if I had gotten the insurance instead.
Dave Ramsey hasn't tried to buy a reliable used car in the last decade, at least. You aren't going to find anything under about $10k that's actually reliable where I am. A mid-90s Toyota with 300,000 miles maybe, but not anything under 150,000.
With the $554 average new car payment in the original post, you can afford that $10k new-to-you used car outright in cash every 18 months.
Average price of a used car in the US, right now, is $29,000. Which means that for a $554 payment, it's going to be 5.4 years rather than 1.5. From there, you need to figure out how many miles you put on a car in a year, make some rough guesses about how many miles the average car has left before the cost to repair exceeds the cost of replacing, etc. Obvs. a high mileage used car is going to require significantly more maintenance than a new car will (...in most cases, as long as you aren't buying a new Land Rover or Jaguar), so you'll need to figure that in as well. You'll probably want good insurance, even if you're only required to carry minimal liability insurance, because any accident could be catastrophic for your finances if you can't afford to repair your car.
It's a bit of a death spiral; wages are still too low, car prices are too high.
Sure, but in 2023, someone could already be selling a 2022 as used. That $29k number is going to be skewed by those who sell younger cars. You can still find used cars much cheaper than this.
For that $554 payment, you would need $6648 in additional yearly maintenance costs on an older vehicle to compare. That's like a new engine or transmission, every year!
Anecdotally, I drive a 32-year-old car that I purchased, coincidentally, for $3200 around 7 years ago. I haven't spent even close to $6648 in maintenance that entire time (probably not even another $3200).
To my original claim - finding something that's reasonable mileage, and in good mechanical condition, for under $10k, is quite a challenge at this point. I sold a 2008 Honda Civic Si with >200,000 miles last year that was not running, had rust, and generally needed a fair amount of work, and had an asking price of $4k. I got fifty offers in under 12 hours. It was crazy.
I walk or bike to about 90% of the places I need to go. That said, I also recently bought a vehicle for $1200. Works fine except the fuel gauge is broke so I have to just keep it topped off. My neighbor is trying to sell his Kia Rio for $1500. Works fine. It'll last at least another 3 or 4 years. Likely more. I have a friend whose son totaled out his car. He wanted another. I recommended a car that was in the $1000 to $2000 price range. He didn't want it. He took out a loan and got a very nice, very sporty car. Then he got in another wreck and totaled it out too. So then he goes and gets himself another expensive car. I just don't understand.
If I took my bike to town, it would take me about an hour, give or take. To get home would be about four hours. It's 15 miles, one way, with about 2200' of elevation change.
Sounds like you need a zip line! π
That's just one of the many fun things about living in the mountains.
Never buying a vehicle I can't pay upfront for again if I can help it. Hated those payments the first time I had to go through it. I do more real work with my 80's era pickup than the yuppies who need their "toy haulers" do that sit almost twice as high. Plus, once I get the diesel swapped in and I'm running biodiesel, I have less emissions as well. Did you know that modern American diesels are so tuned for regular diesel that they can't run biodiesel? I assume the Euro models can though.
Usually biodiesel compatibility is a function of fuel pumps and injectors, the high performance ones are $$$. I wouldn't assume Euro models are biodiesel compatible, the VW diesels weren't after the 'Pumpe dΓΌse' era.
I assume the euro stuff is all compatible because biodiesel is more common there and they have different emissions standards. Material wise, you just need synthetic rubbers, which have been standard since the 90's. The tuning issue comes from biodiesel being slightly more viscous. This effects injector diameter and injector pump pressure. The ignition point is also slightly different and timing can be adjusted, but I've never bother. Older diesels had enough tolerance that these things never mattered much, but newer ones aren't rated for more then 20% and I haven't heard of someone who's actually tested that.
It's also less relevant as HVO based diesel also comes from veg oil and is much, much closer to regular diesel then biodiesel is.
If you pay 500$ a month for 30 years at 5% interest compounded monthly you would contribute $180k and would have $416,129 so not really a million. You would need a little less than 9.5% interest to get a million. 2% interest is only getting you $246k which when you take into account inflation 2-3% normal average minus 5% one of the higher realistic interests that is what you are actually making .
I was looking for a new car a few years ago, but i didn't have to rush, i didn't have a car for almost two years and just used my work car if i really needed one. Then covid hit and i was still sometimes browsing cars. People were selling the cars they no longer can afford and i was fucking shocked to see people selling cars saying that the monthly pay off is like 1200 or shit like that. Who would think that is a good idea? If you can afford it there is no reason to pay it off, and if you can't, it's too expensive. That is just the car payment, no insurance or road fees or anything.
$1200 is ridiculous. That's how much my mortgage is.
The hell are these people driving? I pay $240/mo for a goddamn Lexus.
Could also be their shit credit rating playing into that.
I also have shit credit though
You pay $240/mo for a new Lexus? What was that? 12 years financing? Or did you pay most of the cost upfront?
I didn't buy it new, it had 70k miles. But there's people itt talking about how their used car payments are 2-3x that
That makes a lot more sense! Tbh Iβm not surprised people are paying that much considering how used cars have been extra expensive the past few years. Couple that with high interest rates and you get large payments. Some people have 10% interest or more, guaranteed.
I guess I bought at the right time. It was during covid inflation but it may have gotten worse since then
Hah, look at this guy that doesn't even have a cybertruck!
I paid $830/month for a moderately priced car at only 2.9% for a few years. 1/3 my current yearly salary in full. It wasnβt smart, but I beat inflation at that rate. That car let me and my wife travel so much in our early marriage and it was so worth it. The car is more expensive now then when I bought it.
I love that car and it brought me joy. Itβs paid off now.
Tomorrow is not promised. Save for the future but donβt neglect being happy today. Go live a little.