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I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

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[–] oo1@lemmings.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For me, at work it's more MS sharepoint and MS dynamic (+oracle clod shit of course) that fk me over on a daily basis - that's possibly due to the way our IT people don't seem to know how to use them or set them up - and won't let us query(just SELECT) the dynamics tables directly using SQL for whatever reason. (i suspect we have to pay MS to acces our own data). And of course things like MS excel being used to mangle data by default all the time - yeah i know always use power query import . . . just everything takes six extra steps and the easy way is always the worst way.

W10 is mostly okay. I mean it's slow and hard to use, blasts the cpu fan all the time, is still annoying with updates, and I have to "right click open with" to open anything in the application that i want (even when there is only one native appllication for the file format). You get used to working around that shit.

That is just not true for sharepoint and other MS apps, it gets worse, and as soon as you think you get used to a workaround for one thing, something else changes or an old thing resurfaces. and dynamic has just "upgraded" the colour scheme of the status colum so that there is no contrast between the background and the text. black text on white background, good enough for every other column, but no upgrade that one to black on dark blue, thanks bill you're a F-ing-C. how do they screw up things like that as a bajillion dollar company.

So I was going to say that W10 is more or less stable and it is other MS stuff that I hate more. that is probably true. but actually sitting down and writing out the above, W10 is still pretty horrible to . . . whether it's our IT or MS itself, it's shit.

I much prefer my home linuxes, it is just as stable (for me) - and just so much easier to use - and most of all it is quieter on the fan. So much more relaxing.

W11 had better be "not worse" or i'll probably have to quit.

[–] BritishJ@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For dynamics you have to ask MS for access to the sql back end. Then its granted for several hours as read only. That's why you have to use synapse link to a data lake etc.

[–] oo1@lemmings.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't know what a "synapse link" is i'm sure we'd not be allowed access to that; though I can think of at least one manager who would have parrotted that for a few monts if they'd heard it; "data lake" was also one of those for a while, it seems to have given way to "lakehouse" now. I just want to put on concrete boots, jump off the boat and hope it's deep enough.

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[–] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 123 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

What a big pile of shit software, I swear I'm just gonna quit because of this ass smelling garbage.

Today I discovered that C:/Users/MyUser was silently an alias of C:/Users/OneDriveBullshit/MyUser only in the explorer. So I just figured out why some documents were often disappearing for months, I'm just working on a multiverse were depending on the application the same path don't lead to the same folder.

Earlier this week I unzipped a file and couldn't remove resulting files without administrator privileges.

I've never lost so much time for any fucking software, let alone a paid one. And don't even get me starting on the fucking ads they put everywhere even if you unchecked the 154 options in 42 different menus.

[–] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Also, I don't get how people just accept that any input they perform will require an average of 1s for feedback.

But at least now I understand why macs are so popular...

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 1 week ago

This is the thing I hate most about windows. Did it register the thing I clicked? Is something happening? If I click again will it do the task twice? Complete opposite of how my Mac works.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My current company just got bought out earlier this year, we are in the process of rolling all our stuff into their IT infrastructure.

I was lucky enough to get to use Debian as my OS on my old company laptop because I was the only IT at this company. Last week they finally issued me my new corporate laptop, which of course is Windows because the company that bought us out is a 100% Microsoft house.

One of their sys admins was on a call with me to get the laptop set up and working on their VPN, MFA enrollment, it was supposed to be a "quick 15 minute call."

I watched him as he fought remotely with my machine for almost an hour. The VPN wouldn't work no matter what he tried, then the GUI started acting up, then RDP wasn't working right, then MFA wasn't working. This was a brand new installation from their golden image too on a brand new high end laptop.

After about 20 minutes, I told him I was gunna stay on the call muted and to just let me know when everything was working properly. Then I hopped back onto my Linux laptop and spent the rest of the call getting actual work done while their new Windows machine was pooping the bed.

He didn't actually even get it working at the end of the hour lol. He had to remote in later that evening to finish doing a bunch of registry fixes and file purges to finally get the VPN to connect.

[–] M600@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I just dealt with my directories secretly being in one drive. It actually was only found because the system was buggy and I couldn’t find the desktop directory in Explorer.

I had to edit the registry to fully resolve the issue.

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[–] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

Wow thank you I needed that.

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Software neutrality in the entire public sector should be a law. Leverage of proprietary software and media like professor published book scams are criminal extortion.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 days ago

People say shit like this, then move over to the thread about Russian maintainers, and lose their shit about it...

These are one in the same. Sanctions have been imposed on Russia because working with Russian people/companies is a national security risk at the moment.

And yes, I know that the Russian people are not the Russian government. But one thing many of you don't seem to grasp (perhaps due to the massive holes in basic understanding that your STEM degree left you with?) is that, in an authoritarian country where numerous people have been thrown out of windows for less, you cannot trust that the government is not actively interfering. In fact, given recent history, it would be pretty surprising if they weren't.

Would you put in a backdoor if your government (very credibly) threatened to kill you and/or your family if you didn't? I can't say that I wouldn't.

[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yeah they transferred all of our network files held on our own private servers over to Teams. I didn’t even know that teams did file storage. I guess through one drive.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago

Everything is through OneDrive. Even stuff that doesn't need to be. Desktop shortcuts...really?

Also - I hate Teams, refuse to use it. The one time I did use it for some irrelevant confirmation message, it stuck and now not only does it load every time I log on (to get closed immediately), it also has the history of that one message. That I've tried to delete, and it keeps coming back.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

It doesn't do storage. It puts it in SharePoint somewhere. Where? Nobody knows. You may find it someday and bookmark it. It will also show up in OneDrive and maybe even Outlook! Because Microsoft doesn't believe in your concepts of "location" man.

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Yeah it's just OneDrive/Sharepoint with a trench-coat

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My experience exactly. My current company is rolling out new W11 laptops as the old ones age out.

I'm consistently amazed at how poorly Windows 11 runs on these brand new, $1500 enterprise grade machines. They all have the latest Intel i7 chips, 16GB of DDR5 memory, Nvme 1TB drives, 1440p beautiful screens, and they perform like ass.

Constant lockups, stuttering, slow to wake up, slow to open programs, the fans constantly spin up super loud with almost nothing running in the foreground.

I see frequent GUI glitches and bugs, literally had the WiFi stop working on one yesterday, just wouldn't connect to anything and the tray app wouldn't pop up when clicked. Had to restart the whole computer and log in again to get it to connect.

Meanwhile, the 11 year old retired desktops that I repurposed for internal company resources like Open Project, Uptime Kuma, and Ansible are running plain old Debian with KDE Plasma and are rock solid. They never crash, never freeze up, are always super responsive, and are fast to update. The longest one of them has taken to update was maybe 3 minutes?

Windows on the other hand... Lets just say there's a reason I push updates at the end of the day.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] jimbolauski@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Microsoft is due a terrible release, 7, 8, & 10 were all above average.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago

Worse, Vista you could wrestle into submission, Windows11 is so deeply embedded with ads, spyware, bloat, and spaghetti code, it's almost impossible to get it clean.

And even when you do, you have to constantly fight to keep it that way. The fact that Windows will change your settings for default apps and privacy preferences without your permission after a major update is absolutely insane and disgusting.

I shouldn't have to constantly be on guard for my OS Which I paid $200 for professional licensing to just sneak its own preferences and settings back to what it wants.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You can control what programs open on boot in the task manager. Teams was one of the first things I disabled.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 43 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That is, if the laptop isn't totally locked down by IT. But knowing school's IT budget that probably isn't the case.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

IT "locking down" Laptops often means they just give all power to Microsoft I assume

[–] variants@possumpat.io 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

For us you get a popup that sends a ticket to IT and you have to fill out a reason why you need to do whatever it is you are trying to do. Then you wait like 10 minutes and try again to see if it was approved. If it asks for permission again then you need to assume they rejected it

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Are you serious? "Assuming" is the streamline? DAMN!

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[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago

I can’t even change the length of time before the screen locks.

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[–] Thrife@feddit.org 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hate to say but in our office it's the other way around. Teams HAS to start automatically before outlook can be opened manually otherwise the addin for meetings won't load. Every morning I log in, make some coffee and then go talk to colleagues.. Thanks Microsoft for the slow morning, other see this as luxury!

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[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

No, I can’t.

[–] ashley@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As an admin who manages windows devices, it’s not only a pain for the end users. I will readily admit that the management tools are quite extensive and somewhat easy to use, but they’re damn near impossible to debug when they don’t work, and that’s quite often. Gpo’s often refuse to apply without reason, those ads on the Lock Screen? You can remove those if you pay for enterprise or education edition. Running pro? Nope you get ads.

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[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago

Yeah no, the experience really is ass.
We use Lenovo IdeaPads at work, a model with an i7 and a Nvidia GPU, and Windows constantly chugs and has weird UI issues, even though the machines are not running heavy software and are on a pretty fresh install.

  • Sometimes when I wake the laptop from sleep, it sits and the lock screen showing my wallpaper and NOTHING else.
    Clicking, typing does nothing, I just have to sit there and wait like 2 minutes until it finally decides to show the input field and let me login again.

  • The Network/Sound/Battery tray flyout frequently stops responding. Only goes back to normal after restarting explorer.exe

  • The internal display has scaling while the external doesn't. So every time you drag a window across it "snags" in between them while the application flickers and struggles to switch the scaling.

  • Switching between virtual desktops is so sloooow, if you use a different wallpaper on each you can literally see Windows struggling to swap the wallpapers in time.
    It's impressive how a native OS feature feels like a third-party kludge.

Great work Microsoft.

[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We have Linux workstations at work.....and these can only be used to access a remote desktop of a Windows 10 virtual machine. 👍

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My boss told me to get a laptop and I'd be reimbursed, so I got a System76 with Fedora. "How are you going to use (company proprietary software that only works on Windows)?" I told him I could run it on wine (and I have). But he ended up assigning me a Windows 365 cloud, so now I have a very nice laptop that just works, and I only fire up the cloud crap if I really need to.

Suffice it to say that I'm the only upper management member that barely interacts with the IT department, I don't need to 🤣🤣

[–] isAdisplayName@mathstodon.xyz 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@maxprime same lol. Somehow the whole os feels like one gigantic advertisement... That is trying it's best to not let you use your computer

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We’re being forced to move everyone to W11 by the end of the year. It’s gonna be hell.

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[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have to use SharePoint on a daily basis.

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 14 points 1 week ago

We pray for you

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

You're fucked.

[–] autokludge@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It is basically http://mail.office365.com in an electron shell. I'm pretty sure all the non 'classic' apps are this way now. I'm currently trying out Thunderbird to see if I like it.

[–] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah my org is about to ban using anything but the outlook client for email access for "security" reasons, and ban all other logins. We're on a Kubernetes cluster, so historically you've been able to login via Thunderbird or use the Gmail web interface as well.

If they go through with it I will riot.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I spend a lot of my workday looking at windows that have turned white and "not responding", or clicking on things and waiting a minute to see whether the click worked, or waiting for the Start menu to allow me to type, or waiting for the indexing service to spare me a little bit of my computer for my own use, etc. Then I come home to Linux and remember how computers can actually be fast and satisfying to use.

[–] haerrii@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

Oh W11 start menu is so damn slow... I usuall smash Win and then immediately start typing the Application I need. After the Windows 11 upgrade, the menu chokes on the first two letters leaving me with having to redo everything slowly.

[–] Soapbox1858@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

When teams is just doing chat things, it's fine. But the fact that it's the only program that doesn't remember which monitor it is supposed to be on, and never remembers the show on all desktop settings, drives me insane. Not to mention that it seems to restart itself multiple time per day and makes me fix its location each time.

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[–] exu@feditown.com 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

When I started my new job I got a pretty unrestricted Windows machine, so I decided to try and use that. WSL is pretty impressive and I managed to work with Emacs and some other tools installed in it until Windows decided stuff should run way slower now. Magit got especially slow doing any git operation.

That weekend I installed Linux (with permission) and it's perfect now.

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[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

I thought outlook had been electron for a while

I've been using the outlook pwa on Linux for some time with no issues, maybe try that instead if it's causing problems for you on windows?

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