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I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

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[–] wax@feddit.nu 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

My main gripe with windows is that it's gradually turning to adware/spyware after MS decided to go for that sweet data collection revenue. That also means a shift in the focus of the development of the OS, as it's not being developed for the benefit of the users anymore.

That, and software development processed are more tedious. Although today I'm sure I could find a workflow that works with WSL or vcpkg.

Edit: Oh, and everything turning to webapps on the desktop. Love staring at white canvas while it waits for a server response.

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Gradually? By 10's launch, it was already adware/spyware. 11 is not even attempting to hide it, if you look at it objectively past the PR.

[–] wax@feddit.nu 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yeah, fair enough. I've just noticed that a clean setup requires more and more workarounds in regedit and policy editor etc. Updates reenabling stuff like that is just infuriating

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As someone who has a good windows laptop at home, windows at work is actual garbage. We had a month where you just couldn't use the search function, because the act of typing in the search bar caused enough problems it would close the search bar.

Odds are your home computer is somewhat competent and your work one is a steaming pile of trash not fit for purpose.

[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

I ran arch on it for about a year - it’s a gen 9 i5. During that time I had a desktop that ran W10 on a gen 3 i5 and was quite a competent machine. Then with W11 and the TPM requirement that perfectly good windows box became ewaste.

The laptop is fine. Windows 11 is just garbage.

[–] fhein@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

We just had Windows Update brick itself due to a faulty update. The fix required updating them manually while connected to the office network, making them unusable for 2-3 hours. Another issue we've had is that Windows appears to be monopolizing virtualization HW acceleration for some memory integrity protection, which made our VMs slow and laggy. Fixing it required a combination of shell commands, settings changes and IT support remotely changing some permission, but the issue also comes back after some updates.

Though I've also had quite a lot of Windows problems at home, when I was still using it regularly. Not saying Linux usage has been problem free, but there I can at least fix things. Windows has a tendency to give unusable error messages and make troubleshooting difficult, and even when you figure out what's wrong you're at the mercy of Microsoft if you are allowed to change things on your own computer, due to their operating system's proprietary nature.

[–] mr_satan@monyet.cc 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

TL; DR
My experience between Windows and Linux is not much different with how often I have issues. But given the choice I much more prefer my Linux experience.

I hate Windows just as much as the next guy, but this comment section smells a little of confirmation bias.

From my experiece (web dev in a mainly MS branded stack) Windows mostly just works. Yes there are horrendous design, UX choices forced upon me, but I can usually force the OS to do what I need and how I need it.

Now comparing it to my home Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such, but I wouldn't say it's much more different from Windows.

Now what does differ a lot is that I don't need to fight the OS to do shit. It's way better productivitywise, when I know what I'm doing. Which is deffinetly not the case everytime.

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 6 points 6 days ago

That last paragraph is exactly what i feel. In Windows it started to feel more and more like I'm fighting against Microsoft and have to be on edge all the time whereas if in Linux something doesn't work it's not because of ill intentions of the people behind the OS.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Pop setup it also mostly just works. There are occasional freezes that require a restart and such

Weird. I used Pop for 3-4 years and not once did it freeze, stutter, or require a restart that wasn't related to an update.

[–] Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For me the pop shop always froze. At least that thought me how to use the terminal. But even regular GNOME software was miles ahead of their shop...

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Oh... Now that you mention the shop, you're right. Mine would freeze up too. I stopped using it, which is why I forgot about it.

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago

I kinda wish more pcs shipped with linux.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

I requested a Windows machine at work a few years ago, because the specs were amazing, and I was getting frustrated with Mac OS. After using the Windows machine for a couple days I was reminded why I don't like Windows anymore, and returned the machine, despite its amazing specs. It just wasn't worth it.

My home desktop has been on Linux for almost a decade, and a few months ago, my employer certified Linux as a choice for our corporate laptops. I couldn't be happier. If only I managed to convince my wife to take the plunge, but she is the most anti-change person I know when it comes to technology. It took her months to stop complaining when she had to upgrade to Win 10 and her 9 years old computer is slow as it gets right now, it was never re-installed and she rather not risk trying to make it better in fear of breaking something...

[–] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 days ago

The funniest thing is it doesn't even have to be this way with Windows. I've unfortunately had to go back to dual booting lately but I'm using Win 10 LTSC and I have to say I'm surprised how tolerable it is. I'd still rather not use it but eeh it's fine.

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

Debian in WSL is my single favorite thing about Windows work laptop. Real tools! 😃

I’m back on windows for work after a decade away, and all the reasons I left are still there. The tools are still lacking, the layout is non-sensical, prototyping requires expensive subscriptions, and it’s not designed to get work done.

*nixes and macOS, to a lesser extent, are much nicer. The *nixes are designed to get work done. I have my gripes, but good lord they’re small comparatively.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 8 points 6 days ago

Had the same issue with outlook last weeks. 60% CPU usage, doing nothing.

[–] Voltage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

I use both but windows 11 has been generally stable and visual artifact free for me even more than windows 10. Like i have never seen BSOD on 11 yet but on 10 it was regular.

Btw did you tweak it to remove bloat and crapware? Windows will break if you do it even if the bloat removing tool call it stable.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My first job I was using Windows, thankfully I was able to use Linux my next 3 jobs in a row. It really helps justify Linux when our production servers are always running Linux.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Our production servers are all Linux and we have a fully Linux dev stack. My request for a Linux work machine was denied and we have to work in WSL.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like a pretty shitty place to work for then lol

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

It's not great.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 days ago
[–] nobleshift@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Going from my laptops to a client's Windows machine feels like I'm stepping back in time, every time.

Even my Win10 VM is light years ahead of Windows 'proper' because of all of the modifications to make it usable.

MS Windows belongs in a museum, not at an office or on a desk.

(hate spewed at me by Adobe Premiere)

[–] idotherock@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Guh. Amen to this! I’m in the same boat. Sometimes I just bring a Linux laptop with me to work just to have a break from the work computer.

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