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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

How is this even going to work? The rest of the world will still go with the dollar.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

"Increasingly" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. A chart from your own article:

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Here's where it falls apart, right here:

[Vladimir Putin] also said the increased use of BRICS national currencies for transactions will "minimize geopolitical risks."

Some of the BRICS countries have wildly volatile currencies either because of governments "printing money" to devalue their currency for economic stimulus for exports or to pay down debts. Alternatively straight up currency manipulation by the sovereign states issuing them. I would think this makes settling transactions in these local currencies a big risk for commerce. You don't know if the value of the currency you accept tomorrow will be worth what it is today. These are reasons GBP, Euro, and USD are so valuable as currencies, they generally have pretty consistent values.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago

Some of the BRICS countries have wildly volatile currencies

https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/Rise-and-Fall-of-the-USD-688d.jpg

[–] zante@slrpnk.net 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

How will this be any worse on BRICS Clear than it currently is on Swift ?

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

How will this be any worse on BRICS Clear than it currently is on Swift ?

Lets say you're Egypt selling cotton to Russia. BRICS Clear is pushing local currencies. So Russia wants to pay for the Egyptian cotton in Russian Rubles. Lets say the amount of Rubles would buy 10,000 barrels of crude oil at the time of settlement. Russia is currently in economic dire straights and the currency value is dropping. When Egypt wants to spend its Rubles, if it can find a country willing to take them, it could only buy 5,000 barrels of crude oil.

How eager will Egypt be to settle another transaction in BRICS Clear when the value can evaporate. This is way international trade wants to settle in stable currencies.

[–] zante@slrpnk.net 2 points 55 minutes ago

Right, but there ways to mitigate that, without relying on the dollar and although they are not insignificant, they’ve surely considered them - the political benefits are huge for them.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't the Euro even start as being pegged to the dollar at 1:1 to stabilize it in the beginning? Or am I misremembering?

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 4 points 6 hours ago

No, not the euro, but China did peg the Yuan to the dollar for years to ensure their exports remained cheap.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I suspect they’re- Russia- trying to pull a fast one, and china is okay because it won’t hurt them.

Maybe this gives Russians access to reserve currencies that are harder than the ruble.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 3 points 5 hours ago

I mean Russia is back to bartering for goods the Ruble is struggling so hard.

I imagine the the reason China is ok with it is cause they view Russia as collateral that they can claim for their cheap labor force and supplies when they try to push their own economy out of so much manufacturing.

Similar to what they are doing in Africa but with a closer contract to push on since it's closer and easier to control.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 7 points 11 hours ago

China is ok with it because they will insist the Renminbi be used as the brics reserve currency.

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