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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 77 points 2 months ago (64 children)

Turns out, if you're further left than either realistic candidate (because FPTP), it makes it really easy to figure out who you should vote for. "I wonder if I should vote for the person who's not left enough for my liking, or the one is so far beyond that as to be the diametric opposite of left. Whatever shall I do?"

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, the electoral college isn't actually FPTP, it's even worse than that.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago

You’re not wrong. I was keeping it simple.

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[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 71 points 2 months ago (13 children)

I don't understand how the Democrats in USA can be considered left-wing. Sure, they are more left than the Republicans, but in my eyes they certainly not left-wing.

[–] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I don’t know what country you are from or how your voting system works. But I will guess that your country has many parties and after the election, a governing coalition is formed.

In the US voting system, similar parties get punished by stealing votes from each other. So, in effect, we have to form our coalitions before the election and choose the single candidate that will stand for all of us. So, you can think of the Democratic Party as the Democratic Coalition, made up of some truly left-wing factions, as well as some not very left-wing or even centrist factions, and so our candidate will be much more watered down than what you’d see in a different system.

[–] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago

I am from Sweden. You are correct that my country has many different parties that together form a governing coalition.

Thank you for making it a bit clearer to me! I appreciate it.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 months ago

You said it yourself, they are less far-right than Republicans, so Liberals get to pretend they are punks and rebels despite supporting the status quo.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

basically, the US is a one party system, but it has two parties

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Easy. We set the FBI on all the actual leftists decades ago. So the movement is having to slowly rebuild itself in the US. As a result Progressives are the farthest left things most Americans have experience with.

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[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 67 points 2 months ago (31 children)

The US has two parties: center-right and far right.

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[–] Fickle_Ferret@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The Left begins with anti-capitalism. If you aren't against capitalism, you aren't left.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Libs are seething at this absolute correct take. If you're pro free market, you're a liberal and thats as 'left' as you'll ever be.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

Libs are seething, period.

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[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Won’t even draw a hard line at genocide

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago

It sucks. Liberals will be blaming Arab Americans going to Jill Stein if Harris loses, rather than Harris and Biden, just you wait.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fidel Castro and Che Guevara were ridiculously handsome dudes

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago

Sankara too, holy moly

[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago (7 children)

when they say they're left, but then they're authoritarian

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Marx and Engels were called "authoritarian" so frequently by their contemporaries that Engels wrote On Authority. What's considered "authoritarian" is a moving target, an arbitrary line in the sand just for people who succeed in revolution, or at least in throwing off western Imperialist powers.

If your argument is that Marxism isn't Leftist then that's hilarious

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I mean, she is prettier than Marx. Which one did you want to date?

[–] Binette@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but like, look at his beard. I'd date Marx

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