I use Windows btw
Except you have to wait 5 seconds before it goes brrrr because of snaps.
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Yikes, I forgot about the All-Snap Ubuntu Desktop!
Oh snap
Got my new laptop with Ubuntu, s they offered to install it on it instead of windows. (The license costs of windows was as high as doubling the mem to 64 GB, no contest what so ever) It was on the laptop for a few min (sync install to backup location on NAS) before Debian was installed. When looking around, I just couldn't get to grips with it. (couldn't be bothered as well to be honest, as OS replacement was already planned, I just wanted to nick the graphical config)
You can turn them off, but good luck keeping firefox up to date.
Yeah but at this point you're fighting against the OS, might as well switch to a distro that already works the way you want.
Or just use Waterfox or LibreWolf?
Ah yes, vendor lock-in in desktop linux.
I don't get why anyone thinks this is acceptable in any way.
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Ubuntu ain't what it used to be. If you want a simple distro nowadays just go straight to the source with Debian. There's no real benefit to going with Ubuntu anymore, and community distros are just a safer bet. Corporate distros aren't your friend.
Im fighting with you brother
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This sort of stuff always makes me wonder....WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ALL USING YOUR OS FOR?. All I want my OS to do is hold my files, execute my programs and stay the hell out of my way. What could people possibly be doing with their OS that makes version and distro wars worth more than two seconds of your life? Its like arguing about which calculator or plain text editor is best. I dont care. It adds the numbers, it changes the letters, as long as it isnt doing anything else: who cares.
Its like arguing about which calculator or plain text editor is best.
it's obviously emacs
Once you have lived through library dependency hell, you care
How often does that happen to you? Im almost 20 years on Linux full time and it hasnt to me once. I had a wifi driver go out after an update once and Nvida drivers twice. Ive had to roll back a kernal upgrade exactly one time. Those are the only problems and each one took like ten minutes to troubleshoot and fix.
Yeah, if you tend to use your servers for pretty vanilla uses you may not have encountered it much. Once you get into the deep end, it gets deep quick.
Same thing as people arguing about their golf clubs, pointless yes, but distracting...
Most people in the distro wars know it's pointless and that a tool is a tool, but measuring dicks is as old as humanity and when flipping your dong out wasn't deemed appropriate anymore, people started arguing about distros
It’s pretty memed on at this point (arch users, gentoo users, NixOS et. al) but I’d make the point - truly without being pedantic - sometimes you just want stuff the way you want them. Should everybody deal with portage on a daily basis? God no. Is it a viable option for folks to keep their build in check and know exactly what’s going on down to their flags/libs? Absolutely. Same reasons with why some folks jive with the AUR.
It’s all about finding use case, just like any piece of tech. Yes there’s dick measuring and all else that comes with that, but there’s a good amount of merit to “I like how this distro revolves around x, it makes sense to me so it’s easier for me to maintain”. If those are some of the things that get Linux on the daily driver aspect, I’m all with it.
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I tried a bunch of distros, but always came back crawling to arch cause of the package manager
Eh, I've been around the block at this point. Fedora ftw. Simple, easy, GUI installer, "just works"™️, sane package manager, normie default DEs, stable, corporate backing. Maybe not for a purist or enthusiast, but I don't have time for that stuff anymore anyways. My days of pouring hours into getting my Arch install just right are long past me. That was for when I still had free time.
brrrrrrrr
'buntu looks pretty but doesn't brr. Mint goes proper BRRR
Would be true if canonical didn't screw up so much lately. Fedora is the go to for many now
Why not any other Debian based
Debian based? So just Debian then
Debian IS based 😉
Ubuntu today is pretty trash. I'd replace it with fedora today
Yup, you're in the middle of the bell curve
You're in the middle of the 2000s.
Fedora ist the best of two worlds.
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
Seems to be an underrated choice. How's it going so far, using Tumbleweed?
I never managed to break it. While all the *buntu distros tended to just fall apart after a while.
Also you can update after 3 months and zypper will happily process the 6800 changed packages.
Finally it has the best KDE out there, so it was a natural choice.
Sounds great! Tumbleweed has always sounded like a stable rolling-release distro, kind of strange that it never got the attention like Arch or Arch-based distros.
The whole OpenSuSE/SuSE community seems to be on the quiet side for some reason. I never really understood why either. It's one of the old traditional distributions that's doing a lot of stuff in the background, but nobody ever hears or talks about it. They even have fun songs.
Maybe it's because it's based in Europe (although I would have seen that as a bonus point)?
I don't even know if it's very common in the enterprise world, I've never actually even seen it there, although I've seen lots of Redhat. But according to Wikipedia, it's out there.
I've only meddled with openSUSE a little bit but I suspect it's due to several reasons. Firstly, perhaps the lack of marketing. You hear news about Ubuntu and Fedora and NixOS and stuff, but never really about openSUSE, I think? Maybe they do promotions but I don't know about them that much. As you said, they do a lot of stuff but in the background. Perhaps they're really more of a technical distribution, for sysadmins and some users?
They often tend to sell it as a distribution for developers. for some reason. I don't write much code any more and just use it (tumbleweed) as my main system for general use. I never really noticed it being any different from any other operating system. You just install whatever you need. In my case, I take notes, edit photos, play games from Steam, and do the usual Internet stuff. Mostly what most users do.
I see. Yea, someone I know has used Tumbleweed before and it seems fine. Stable and solid. Just out of curiosity, what Steam games do you play? Do you use Proton?
If you run steam in Linux, you're using proton.
Currently, I play Deep Rock Galactic, Insurgency Sandstorm, Cyberpunk, sometimes Squad, but I haven't had the time for a while.
Games I have to catch up with Generation Zero, Disco Elysium.
All of those work without much fuss.
What's your machine?
The current one is a Ryzen 9 3900X with a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti running OpenSuSE Tumbleweed.
I see! Sounds fun. Maybe I'll switch to openSUSE Tumbleweed. Just maybe.
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Arch is good for a machine that gets used a lot, but for something where you need stability or to be able to run it for a long time between restarts and updates, something Debian-based is preferable. Just not modern Ubuntu because Snaps are performance-sapping nightmares.
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