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Walking my grandkid to/from school, it absolutely floors me how many dangerous drivers there are around kids.

In a matter of maybe 10 minutes, I've witnessed:

  • at least a dozen cars illegal parked. It's not the parking that bothers me, but the fact that these cars are often parked on turns or just before intersections, making it impossible for other drivers to see small kids.
  • Several people not stopping at stop signs, including at the exit of the school parking lot.
  • One car, who completely blew through a stop sign at the front of the school, made a left turn and nearly hit a guy walking his kid. The driver didn't even slow down.
  • Super fucking huge pickup trucks parked in the school parking lot, but their long ass hangs well over the sidewalk near the kindergarden area, leaving very little space to use the sidewalk.
  • Speeding. Obviously, you have to have speeding in school zones, right?

This happens every day, during drop off and pick up. I was told that bylaw were “cracking down”, but no, they aren't. If they were, our municipality would generate $5000 in fines each and every day at every school.

The other day, I rode my bike past another school as kids were getting out. Not only was their massive parking lot completely full, but they had blocked the bike trail (WITH PYLONS) to make space for more cars. Then as I entered onto the road, cars were illegally parked along the road and on a bridge for a like 100m. Making it extremely difficult and dangerous to cross because they blocked visibility for me and other drivers on the road.

I asked the cross guard if these students all lived out of town, requiring every parent to drive them home; he obviously didn't get my joke.

Seriously, fuck cars. All of them!

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[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 8 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I live in a small town, i went to school here, and i moved back a couple of years ago. Walking to school is now considered dangerous for children. Why you ask? Because half the parents drive their children to school, which means instead of having no cars around the school, there are now 50 cars around the school at the same time that children walk to school. I feel like i' taking crazy pills.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 hours ago

And I heard in a public consultation meeting about bike lanes that... get this... Adding bike lanes would make it dangerous for kids to get to school.

What backwards universe did we wake up in?

[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 hours ago

And that becomes a vicious circle as more children are driven to school, making it more dangerous to walk, so more are driven...

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

in my commute there is a small school i think a kindergarten right on the exit of a highway, there atleast half a dozen "drive safely" white signs with a bunch of flowers and toys on them, around the intersection. Extra fucked thing is those are just the ones that the families still maintain...

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Welcome back to school kids. I hope you all had a good summer. Today we are going to play a game. It's called Frogger

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Graduating from school in Canada or the US is basically "Congratulations on surviving not being killed by guns or cars!".

[–] utopiah@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

Now you can finally relax and enjoy repaying your $100K+ loan!

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

There are actually a lot of ways to slow down cars beyond asking nicely with signs. And it's not just speed bumps.

The way we design our roads psychologically encourages speeding. Shitty people are out there but road design is important too.

I have a video on the tip of my tongue that I'd like to link, demonstrating this, but I'm too lazy to look it up right now. Maybe later.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The way we design our roads psychologically encourages speeding.

I think most "major" roads are like that, but the school I have to get to is in a subdivision that isn't busy. And people are still rolling through stop signs while looking at their phone. I think being in a car detaches people from the reality of what's going on around them. Like playing a video game from behind a windshield.

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

It's stuff you don't really think about like the visual width of the road and long straightaways that let you detach from the dangers of speeding. It's not just main arterial roads. Traffic calming can and should, arguably more than anywhere else, be employed in those back neighborhood roads as well.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

For speeding, yes, you're right. I was talking more about general inattentiveness, bad judgment, actual malicious driving behaviour, and poorly skilled drivers. No amount of infrastructure can correct that! LOL

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

Yes it can.

[–] RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works 7 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

The car drop off lines they have in America look like pure torture. I don't understand. Does America not have school buses anymore?

[–] yonder@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

The high schools in my city have dedicated city bus routes that transport most of the students. All students who live more than about 1km away get a city bus pass for the year, which means the school transport can be pretty flexible. This is in Canada btw. Many of the people who opt to drive instead either cone from far away because of certain programs at the school or are just privelidged af.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 13 hours ago

Does America not have school buses anymore?

I'm in Canada, and yes, we do. In fact, the buses were having difficulty getting into the school's parking lot because of the way the illegally parked cars were quite literally at the edge of the turn (leaving little space for the bus). It's been sheer madness these past few weeks.

And it's hilarious (not) when people put on their hazard lights to park illegally while they pick up their kid. I swear to the gods, if my municipality ever gave citizens the ability to write up parking tickets, I'd reduce our property taxes by 10% from the revenue I'd generate! 😄

[–] No1@aussie.zone 19 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

I've lived near a school, and you learn to avoid going out during drop off or pickup times. Driving, riding, walking, it doesn't matter.

It is not safe. At all.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It is not safe. At all.

That an area designed for our most vulnerable demographic is so dangerous that adults wouldn't want to be in it says a lot about North American culture.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

says a lot about North American culture.

lol, I'm in Australia, but sometimes bad things are universal....

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] No1@aussie.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

I can't comment about school areas in other countries, but I've at least been a passenger in some non Western countries and it seemed very familiar 😱

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 17 hours ago

If it's their kid everyone should slow down and be safe. If it's anyone else's kid then they're just in a hurry and you wouldn't understand

[–] WanakaTree@lemm.ee 2 points 13 hours ago

Yup I live across the street from a K-8 school. It floors me how the parents of these kids drive like maniacs right by the school where their own child and all their classmates go to school. If there where ANYwhere you'd think a parent of a young child would slow the fuck down it'd be by their kids school.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 33 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

I live less than a half-mile from my kids' school, and people ask why I walk them instead of driving... everyday I see people who live closer than I get in their cars and drive 2 blocks to pick up their kids!

Its madness I tell you

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 10 points 19 hours ago

So many of them really just refuse to exist in public space. "The public" is full of evil undesirables, so let me go from my private space (home) to my private space (car) to go to my private space (work/school/venue) so i never have to exit in the scarrryyy public.

Even my more progressive best friends (a couple) refuse to go downtown because they can't park directly in front of where they're going, even though where they'd probably find a spot is still closer than your parking spot at Walmart or a grocery store - but I'm the crazy one for not prioritizing getting a new vehicle at all costs, sure.

Shit is bonkers.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 14 points 22 hours ago

That's honestly disgusting. Not only for the environment and public safety, but those missed opportunities to get some level of activity in your day are simply pissed away in a car.

Like, people are OK commuting by car for 1-3 hours a day... but a 20 or 30 minute walk with a dozen benfits? NO WAY!

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[–] noname_yet2077@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago (4 children)

For me this is not "fuck cars", it's more about "fuck stupid idiot trashy human beings". But you know.. If I was a kid i wouldn't like to breath in car fumes, so maybe it is "fuck cars" after all

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The idiot trashy human beings aren't trying to kill my kids except when they're in a car on the street we're trying to cross, so I think getting rid of the cars would help tremendously.

[–] voracitude@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Au contraire, mon ami - they're trying to kill anyone, it's just a higher chance to get a kid in a school zone.

Source: the intersection down the road from me.

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[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 12 points 21 hours ago

This is literally the "safe systems approach" encouraged to be adopted by DOTs. It assumes people will make mistakes, or otherwise just be "idiot trashy human beings" as a fundamental principal and then designs a transportation system from there. So you end up with separated, protected bike lakes, neckdowns, speed humps, and bollards out the ass.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 3 points 17 hours ago

An interesting thing I heard in a video. A thought experiment for your friends. 2 questions, in this order.

Is it rude to smoke around people who are eating in a restaurant? If so, why?

And then

Using that, is it rude to allow polluting cars near people eating food outside? Is the answer different from the first? If so, why?

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Hear me out: cars make people into trashy human beings

[–] i_am_hiding@aussie.zone 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Depends on the car. Whopping big American Trump Trucks make people into trashy human beings, sure, but I'd like to think that putting around town in a classic mini doesn't make me the devil. Certainly people don't grin and point and wave when a Trump Truck goes past.

[–] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 13 hours ago

Sit in traffic long enough, and you'll be driving like a trashy human

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 46 points 1 day ago (13 children)

It's also a problem that's getting worse. When I was in school in the 2000s, like 80% of the kids took the bus and half of the remaining ones (like me) came by bike. Now my niece goes to the same school and she's one of very few kids still taking the bus there. The schoolyard turns into a chaotic mess of SUVs every morning. I guess it goes hand in hand with helicopter parenting becoming normalized.

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[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Just wanted to throw in my reality living in a rural area and all the factors that lead into the same problem we have around here.

The walk to my middle school was 1 1/2 hours, 2 when distracted. All 4 lane highways, with no sidewalks. Bus drivers are in high demand with low pay/part time, bus routes can easily go into a 3 hour ride in the afternoon. There is typically 1 highschool per county (must keep the roster pool available for the sports teams), we're talking a 42 minute straight drive just to get there (so you can sit in trailers because they're over capacity).

They need to up the bus driver pay, de-stigmatize the position with people who are getting more than fair compensation so they can be proud of their work and a community member who very much actually, physically, is in the world of the growing citizens. Have an assistant who helps with the route and manages the adolescent children (bus shit was wild back in my day, like 3rd base shenanigans going on and I doubt it's stopped).

I guarantee you, no one having to drive through that shit-storm is enjoying or wanting that experience. Everyone's anxiety is high and they're still half asleep in the morning, with the potential to accidentally injure a child before you even get to work. Some of the counties have improved with better traffic techniques like time-regulated flow, roundabouts, and traffic assistants. But, it's still so depressing and makes you feel like you're in some industrial meat processing plant line.

It sucks either way. Having your kid get home at 6pm to start on homework (no internet on the bus, most assignments require connectivity) which can take hours, feed them, make sure they get ready for bed by 8-9, then start again at 5am because the bus shows up ass early before the world wakes up. Real public transit doesn't exist in a 80 mile radius around here, so there's really no other currently available options besides all the crappy scenarios being told that everyone rightfully hates.

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago

1hr walk is like a 20minute bike ride. All they need is a dirt path that follows the road with 2m grass gap

[–] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Another almost guaranteed way of converting someone to the fuck cars mentality, ride a bike on the road and around traffic.

In relation to your post in the past I have worked as a parking CEO (civil enforcement officer - modern name for traffic warden)

We had to do school watches every day, covering different schools within our area and issuing fines to people that try to stop / park in areas around schools, particularly the yellow zig zags directly at the exits of the school.

The amount of abuse you got every time you were near a school, these idiots don't seem to realise you are there to try and enforce rules that help keep their children safe as well as others. Parents are some of the most entitled pieces of shit, especially around schools.

Like you say as well, most of these fucks driving to pick up their little shits live less than 5 minutes by car from the school.

Fuck them and their cars!

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I know people who DRIVE to the school 2 blocks away from their home! It is just baffling to me! Okay let's say you just have to helicopter and go pick them up, you still have to DRIVE?! Just walk over! "Oh well it rains" _umbrella "but in winter" coats. Ffs it's two blocks.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 2 points 15 hours ago

I don't know anyone who drives two blocks to pick up their kids because I stopped hanging out with losers.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (12 children)

We walk our kids to school pretty much every day, and I 100% agree.

Almost exactly three years ago, at a school about four miles away from ours, a driver killed a seven-year-old girl on her way home from school, and the very next morning a driver ignored the signal and cut me off as I was trying to walk my own kids across the street. In the next couple of months, a city ordinance meant to improve pedestrian safety was shot down by the state because it was "anti-car." Since then, any efforts at traffic calming around schools has been slow-rolled and ignored at pretty much every opportunity. Car dismissal is prioritized at our kids' school (we've actively had to go inside and pluck our kids out of the car line at the beginning of every school year so far because they don't pay attention), bus dismissal gets second place, and this is the first year that the crossing guard has been there every day.

Literally the only positive thing that we've seen around our school is that they've reduced the road from two (very thin) lanes in each direction to only one; that has helped tremendously, but even just this morning a driver who wasn't paying attention almost hit the crossing guard as we were about to step out into the street.

I am shaking with rage even thinking about it right now. The situation is dire out there, and our elected officials are doing worse than nothing. Our school administrators are making it worse.

Talk about radicalizing. I want to start slashing tires.

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I lived close enough to my school that I was able to walk every day. Every morning I had to deal with self-centered parents dropping their crotchspawn off at school. I nearly got run over numerous times while crossing the street- a few of which got close enough that their front bumpers touched the backs of my legs as I walked. One parent cut in front of me instead of behind me, and I was able to punch the back of their car as they sped off.

Keep in mind I was a child when this was happening. These were parents that were very nearly running over a child willingly.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I pass by two schools, right next to each other, during my commute to work. There are School Zone speed limit signs that also you your own speed in warning. I always slow down to at least 30 (zone limit is actually 25).

I usually stick to ~30 because I'm on a motorcycle and I have cars ride my ass, clearly pissed off at my slow speed. To my amazement, they then proceed to angrily pull into the school parking lot and drop off their own kids.

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