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[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 47 points 10 months ago (137 children)

If only there were some kind of way for it to not devolve into totalitarian dictatorship...

[–] linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago (7 children)

lucky u, there is; its called just doing the fucking thing like normal, cuz non of the historical examples did that so u know.

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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago (23 children)

As a theory, sure. I just have yet to see it expressed in any functional way that didn't devolve into a shit show. See: Russia, etc.,

I think it's telling that so many wish for a return to communism but still defend Putin's atrocities. :|

[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (16 children)

Russia devolved into capitalism. Funding a military is incredibly expensive and necessary when a communist country wants to exist in a world with the United States. This creates a militant economy that must be centrally governed to coordinate this military might. True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

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[–] rwtwm@feddit.uk 14 points 10 months ago (36 children)

My concern with this line of argument is that it bundles consequences from a system of government up with the consequences of trade embargoes and other hostile actions from capitalist economies. That doesn't make the actions of the dictators in those countries justifiable in any way, but might have precipitated conditions that made them more likely.

How would communist nations have fared if the US had taken a 'live and let live' approach to them? The approach during the cold war was that they couldn't be allowed to succeed. That led to the sort of standards of living where dictatorship tends to thrive. Note this isn't unique to communist countries. Look at the Republican party in the US, now that Neoliberalism is failing.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (110 children)

Any ~~current~~ real-life examples of "communism good"?

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 27 points 10 months ago (27 children)
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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Funny, the same thing happened when I realized that I'm Trans. It's almost as if capitalist ran media is incentivised to lie and decive in ways that cause permanent damage.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 months ago (18 children)

Viewed from hexbear this thread has 27 comments lol

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Must be nice not having to be exposed to 440 …other comments.

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[–] AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Now I love boiling down the pitfalls of modern western society into large statements like "capitalism bad" and "communism good" as much as anyone, but having dealt with a bunch of people dismiss good change as "that's communism" has made me rethink how I talk about topics online and in person.

Now the accelerationist are gonna be mad about this for sure, but maybe you should start small, and discuss topics at a more local level. Then again the internet is world wide and everyone wants to talk about grand scale things.

Basically, I've stopped telling people outside of my direct circle that leftism cool, and instead talk about socialised medicine programs, pushing for support of worker owned productions and business, getting involved with coop housing. Lot easier when you don't have to bump up against the red scare.

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[–] Batman@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (14 children)

Lol I saw the comment that was removed. The comment couldn't have been more neutral saying people who ignore the problems in the most Communist historical societies reduce the perceived integrity of it's proponents.

This mod is the exact antithesis of this meme. Pure censorship.

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 14 points 10 months ago (13 children)
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[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

But have you considered iphone vuvuzela

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