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[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 90 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Btw for those initially confused like me, GTA stands for Greater Toronto Area.

Nobody expects bad traffic in the next Grand Theft Auto game just yet.

[–] iamjackflack@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Real hero of the thread

[–] BenVimes@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

I grew up in southern Ontario, and it took me an embarrassing amount of time to figure this out. I heard the acronym daily as my parents listened to CFRB, but it didn't click until I was almost 20.

[–] thisNotMyName@lemmy.world 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just one more lane and it will be fixed, once and for all, pinky promise!

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I got a fever... and the only prescription is more ~~cowbell~~ lanes

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

the 90s called etc

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 35 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fuck you peasants, believe or not, still no public transit.

Get into you wage wagon, drive to your wage cage and get back to cucking for daddy

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

TBF, Ontario (and most importantly, Toronto) are going through the biggest transit expansion in all of North America. For those unaware, I'll list some of the projects by transit agency:

  • TTC (Toronto local transit) has a new metro (the Ontario Line/eventually Line 3), and 2 new LRT/light-metro lines under construction
  • GO (region transit) is undergoing a huge expansion where they're increasing frequency and electrifying the lines, while also doing a bunch of smaller projects to decrease travel times and points of conflict
  • Mississauga/Brampton have the Hurontario LRT under construction (also owned by GO/Metrolinx, but local transit, so I separated it)
  • Hamilton's LRT is in planning
  • ION LRT in Waterloo is planning Stage 2

There are too many bike infrastructure projects to mention, and a lot of new urbanist developments.

At the same time, the provincial government also has a number of projects that are crazy car-centric, like Highway 413, so it's not all good.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

hopefully it works better than california and UK high speed rail lol

i have zero faith in any of the "countries" to deliver any public works projec on time, within budget and/or for it to actually work.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Pretty much all public works projects go over budget. Pretty much all private private projects also go over budget. However, people only complain about public transit projects going over budget. There are some legitimate reasons for this, like lack of institutional knowledge, but I think people hyper-fixate on public transit while roads "just have to be built, whatever the cost."

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Love how you omitted Canada's capital and their rail system of complete failures and fuckups from your list.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's not a project in progress, so I didn't include it. It's also in a completely different region than the GTA, while all those projects are in the GTHA (except maybe Waterloo).

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)
[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The original post was about GTA, so I talked about the GTA. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't know they were extending the Confederation Line. As I said, it's a completely different region of the province, and I'm not as familiar with the national capital region. However, I know this statement

5 years ago, there was no rail system

is BS. The Trillium line is over 2 decades old.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

almost as if addressing the traffic by creating infrastructure instead of the need for traffic with mixed-use neighborhoods isn't the right approach

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I mean that's why you boost a stunt plane and fly across the map.

Wait. Who's adding more traffic into GTA anyway?

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

High speed rail when? Transit prioity signals when? Alternatives to driving everywhere when?

[–] Latuga17@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

The 401 clearly isn't wide enough!

[–] kELAL@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Damn you Anthony Downs, John Thomson and your paradox

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Make sense, great Montreal area is like this for rush hour, 20km/h

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It kind of amazed my friends from Ontario when a whole line of people waiting at the ferry terminal made it onto a double decker bus (close to 100), which would have been 50 passenger cars!

Why haven't we explored frequent oribtal GO routes numbered 401, 427, QEW, DVP, with dedicated bus lanes to weave through traffic with ease (BC highway 99 is set up decently well with them)? Sneaky drivers could jump the queue with the priority lane in typical Toronto fashion, but bus drivers with cameras can charge every license plate they catch that's improperly in the lane. Make it a hefty fine or revoke their license on repeat offenses.