You’ll still get a broken window and steering column because the thieves can’t tell if the car has had the update or not and will still attempt to steal it.
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I have a Kia and got the software upgrade; they put a little red sticker on your windows saying the vehicle is equipped with anti-theft software.
But something tells me most thieves aren’t checking for a sticker before they smash the window…
Can confirm. Happened to a friend within the past month. Theirs wasn't even on the list of affected models.
Hyundai and Kia upgraded their cars' anti-theft tech in early 2023. Vehicles equipped with the enhanced software will only start if the owner's key, or an identical duplicate, is in the ignition.
Fucking.... What? A 2023 anti theft technology upgrade added the space age cutting edge concept of starting the car with... the key?
If my car could start without the key in the bloody ignition I'd be furious, that's what the key is for, haha. You can add extra doohickeys to enhance security, but the first line of defence is the key that starts the car.
Absolute madness.
Watch the channel 5 Kia boys episode. It was really fucking easy to steal kia's n Hyundai's. Took the guy like 30 seconds to do it. You just ripped a piece of plastic off, and jammed a USB cord into the ignition, turned it, and off u went. They encountered one of these updated ones and failed as well.
Warning, the Kia boys are fucking insufferable twats.
🤯 this is so fucked up Like, is this cyperpunk coming true?
No this is how every car was stolen prior to the 90s/00s. The "USB cord" is a red herring as the shape of the USB-A port just happens to match the remaining bit of the ignition cylinder once the lock has been removed, but journalists love to hype that part up as if this is some technological attack.
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Keyless start is fucking awesome though, just get in the car and drive. I wouldn't even consider a car without after having one with it. Pretty much all other manufacturers have this in a safe way that doesn't make the cars easier to steal. Its not the keyless start that's the issue, its how they implemented it.
I mean, many new cars don't even have an old school key ignition at all.
A lot of smart key cars are vulnerable to relay attacks. It's not a solved security issue by any means.
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What’s more, all keyless cars still have a fob with proximity and if the fob dies, they legally have to have a way to start the car without the fob battery which is why they all have an nfc reader somewhere (usually in a cup holder) so you can put you dead fob on it and the car will start like normal.
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All keyless start kias and hyundais are/were immune to the Kia boys trick
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Still, it would be cool if they didn't charge hundreds of dollars for a replacement key that costs them a couple bucks.
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They were vulnerable because they didn't use chipped keys therefore people could break the ignition cylinder off and rotate the actual switch behind it to start the car. Cars with immobilizers still wouldn't start even if you removed the lock cylinder because the sensor didn't detect the chip. This is basically how most all cars worked prior to the 90s/00s which is where the trope of "using a screwdriver to steal a car" came from.
I'm really curious how they were able to add this in using software alone since you'd need some sort of sensor to detect the key along with keys that have a chip embedded in them.
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My car was never affected in the first place and I'm still getting fucked by my insurance saying it's a "theft risk" charging out the ass
Insurance companies like to claim they've done all the math and research but they're just lazy asses looking for any reason to raise rates.
Tell me about it, my rate over tripled.
Edit: and yes I did try and fight it
us insurance sounds lovely
They are awful lying cunts
I’d guess a result of the dumber criminals not knowing what specific models are vulnerable. This fiasco tainted the entire brand.
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Here's my simple solution: drive a super old car. My car:
- isn't worth stealing
- is immune to popular TikTok attacks because the tech is too old
- drives just fine
There are some downsides, but at least I don't have to deal with this nonsense.
Here's my simple solution: be unable to operate a car.
I went from an 07 Escape to a 2023 RAV4. The thing just won’t shut the fuck up. Mike any kinda of parking the detection beeps. Console software is annoying.
Miss my relatively dumb car.
The legal requirement that cars just beep within zero seconds if you start them without a buckled seatbelt is just actively harmful to safety. It trains you to despise and ignore all safety alarms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alarm_fatigue
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My wifes genesis is the same. Beeps if you do something beeps if you don't beep beep beep beep. All the telemetry bullshit and bad ui combined with cheap hardware and latency. It sucks ..
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Despite the fixes, theft claims for the affected Hyundai and Kia models continue to exceed industry norms, including for vehicles equipped with the upgraded software, according to HLDI. One reason could be that the software-based immobilizer only activates if the driver remembers to lock the vehicle with a fob, while many people are in the habit of using the switch on the door handle.
If ever there were a problem that is ripe for fixing with the first version of the software upgrade, not a future one, this was it.
I just had to purchase a vehicle. My insurance company basically asked me not to buy a KIA or Hyundai and warned that the premiums for those makes were super high.
It's funny that even though theft rates have plummeted since the mass software upgrade, premiums have stayed high. They have savant-level mathematicians (actuaries) evaluating risk and even with compelling data showing otherwise, they choose to keep labeling these cars high risk and continue to charge exorbitant premiums.
The whole “insurance price is determined by geniuses” thing is just bullshit. They benefit greatly from perpetuating the myth but never really demonstrate competence. Their calculations are very non-specific. For example determining risk by ZIP code in places where one side of the tracks/street/infrastructure built with structural discrimination in mind is just not granular enough. Another example would be that some model of vehicle came with optional emergency braking, but taking the option doesn’t change insurance calculations at all, but having the feature as standard for all models reduces the price for those models.
“Insurance actuaries are sevants” is just an extension of the lie that “free” markets are 100% efficient and always correct.
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Same. I was looking at cars and told my insurance, who then said, "If you get a KIA, you never have to worry about losing your car keys, since you can search online on how easy it is to break in."
That throwaway joke threw me into the rabbit hole of the Kia challenge. Definitely a shit show.
I'm not buying this PR garbage. KIA and Hyundai thefts fall as cars lacking basic security hardware were stolen and wrecked until there are no more to steal and wreck.
Thank you for re-adding late 20th century tech to your 21st century cars. /s
A lot of cars in my neighborhood have been using a club to lock the steering wheel. Reminds me of the 80s-90s.
Those do absolutely nothing to stop someone from stealing a car as they attach to your steering wheel made of foam and plastic which takes seconds to cut through. They've only come back in to popularity due to grifters willing to sell people a false sense of security.
To be fair, they add another minute or two to the time it takes to steal the car.
I also feel these bars make your car harder to steal than the other car on the same block. If everyone is using them, you're car is again only as hard to steal as that other car on the block. This could make it a target again.
However, that update or a third party solution is going to do a whole lot more.
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I wasn't going to get a new car any time soon. And my next car was going to be a Kia Soul. But I went with another brand. The Kia/Hyundai brand is hot right now. Crackheads and thieves aren't trying to figure out if your car is affected, you still end up with an inoperpable car. Maybe in a few years it will die down.
Does this update cover the new issue where the keyless cars can be broken into?
https://insideevs.com/news/724328/hyundai-kia-ioniq-5-gameboy/
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You would all lough to your grave if you would see how shit is the immo system in these cars are. To add a new key to a car you have to read immo data of the car and than decode it to get a password to make the key. In these cars you just sit in the car, make the car go into add key mode and than just touch the key to antena, and thats it, no passwords no immo data reading.
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My 2013 Forte wasn't eligible for the upgrade :(
If it wasn't eligible for the FIX (this is NOT an upgrade, you are entitled to them fixing this shit if it does effect you)maybe it wasn't the right ignition system? My 2013 Elantra needed it and it seemed to be on the older end of cars who had the vulnerability.
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