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[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 205 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Lightning is/was actually pretty great. Also remember that it was introduced before USB-C even existed.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 152 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah alternative was MicroUSB which is dogshit.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I’m using my wife’s old android for YouTube. It has a microusb port and I really hate it.

Lighting was leaps better than that, but usb-c is really the king of ports at the moment.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the only valid opinion.

Perhaps one day we get a magnetic replacement for USB-C.

[–] Draghetta@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Why a replacement? You can already buy usb c cables with detachable magnetic heads if you fancy that

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[–] brillekake@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fun fact: Apple was part of the group that designed USB-C

[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That was really weird, actually. Apple was frustrated that the USB consortium wasn’t making progress. So they developed Lightning. Then sent people there to help develop USB-C, when they already had a competing connector…

They should’ve been more patient, and sent people there directly, before developing a competitor, and adopted USB-C from the start.

With that move, they isolated themselves and their customers. It’s this arrogant “we’re smarter than anybody else” attitude they show sometimes, that irks a lot of people and end up being detrimental for their image. (And I say this as a long time Apple customer).

[–] Onionizer@geddit.social 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah it was a great move, earned them a couple billions in licensing fees

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[–] suction@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Also why is it awesome on iPad Pros since years but no good on iPhones? The marketing was always contradicting itself.

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] Amilo159@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Connection technology was good, but materials used in cable and design of strain release was horrible. Never seen a cable disintegrate without any reason after couple of years.

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[–] itsnicodegallo@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I think the problem is that between lightning cables and USB-C, one is made by an asshole company who wants you to use it for your phone and literally nothing else, and one is useful for your phone and literally everything else.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At the time it came out, definitely, considering its main competitors for a standardised connector were Mini USB and Micro USB, which were serviceable but not that great...

Could be worse though, you could've been stuck with "superspeed" Micro USB like some folks were, those were just plain awful to use.

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[–] carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 167 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Not fair. It was a great cable. It came out when everyone else was using mini and mico usb which both sucked hard ass. They weren’t reversible, and they broke easily.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

It was a good cable when it came out, but as soon as USB-C became common it was obsolete. It was limited to USB2 speeds and did not support fast charging.

Which, seeing how Apple is still hellbent on continuing to only have USB2 speeds even with USB-C, plus lockout chips, their new connector is obsolete as well.

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[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And technically the connector itself is way beter by clicking into place.

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 91 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And they made sure no one else could develop a design with the same characteristics by patenting the fuck out of it. Thanks apple

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What's funny to me is that the solution to long term use was in their hands. They could have licensed it cheaply to other devices until it replaced the mini USB, then charged whatever they wanted for use once it was the defacto standard. Instead they clasped too tightly onto it and now it's being forced into retirement

With how many cheap android phones have been produced, they'd be making money even if someone wasn't buying an apple product, essentially taking a piece of the market share that wasn't theirs.

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[–] sebi@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

No, if the clamp-mechanism breaks, you habe to replace the connector on the phone while with UsbC you only have to use a different cable.

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[–] DMNC1998@lemmy.world 107 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)
[–] LOLjoeWTF@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

This was a crucial step in Apple's journey into becoming a trillion dollar company. Dongles.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 year ago

Holy fuck I thought this was a joke

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[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 102 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Lightning was significantly ahead of the competition when it came out in 2012. Micro-USB is a terrible collection of ports. C came out two years later though, and quickly surpassed Lightning in almost every way.

[–] WaLLy3K@infosec.pub 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The amount of USB type ports I've seen where the 'tongue' has been absolutely mangled is mind boggling — an issue that Lightning completely bypassed.

For example, I'm repairing some kids PS5 and both back USB ports have had their pins twisted and the plastic snapped off. The HDMI port pins are lifting from the mainboard and the front of the unit is scratched to high hell. I see some of the worst treated tech at my job, and those plastic bits get damaged a lot. While Apple needed to move to USB-C six years ago with the iPhone X, I will respect Lightning for this one thing.

[–] terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All cables have issues. One thing I see often only with iPhone cables are they're always falling apart, especially the outer parts near the end.

[–] Saneless@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

My household all has iPhones but me. They go through at minimum 3 a year

I'm still on the same USB C cable I kept from my pixel 1, and I use it on my 7, still use the same car charging cord from 7 years ago too

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Lighting was a good cable when apple made the switch from 30 pin connector and android was still trying to figure out whether they would use microUSB, miniUSB, and whatever the sam hell this is. And there was no interoperability

Once USB became the standard their was no real reason to hold onto lightning other than it being proprietary and them wanting to hand hold their users

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Lol what? Android used micro USB all across the board on flagships. They then went straight to usb-c.

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (31 children)

Good. Apple's whole ecosystem can go.

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[–] Haha@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They never would if switched if it wasn’t forced on them. I’m glad they were forced no matter how apple spins it

[–] crispy_kilt@feddit.de 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] scottyjoe9@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They took it further than the incorrect "would of" just to fuck with us.

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[–] Pfnic@feddit.ch 52 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yes, Lightning was better than MicroUSB but by now I hope we can all agree, that it has overstayed its welcome

[–] kernelle@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

When apple changed to lightning it was in the middle of the accessory hype where there were loads of accessories using the 30-pin. People where outraged because they could no longer use any of their accessories. Apple then commited to lightning for 10 years in order to sooth the public image. This was 11 years ago, and they didn't switch last year to cut costs, but I'd argue it only overstayed it's welcome for a year.

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[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Ok, I have to take issue with this. I will never be an apple user, but until USB-C came out I was honestly jealous of the lightning cable. It is reversible and consistent, two things other phone chargers never were. Sure, for data transfer it's outdated as hell now, but it is still good enough for most uses

[–] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It is reversible and consistent

consistent in what?

[–] cujo@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Consistent in frying pins and fraying cables.

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[–] k5nn@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Inb4 apple places a chip in the cable that only handshakes with apple devices?

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[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] BanditMcDougal@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Prefacing this question with the fact I'm an Android user and have never owned an iPhone. Saying this in the hopes people won't think I'm an Apple fanboi trying to make a point...

I haven't been that interested in the EU legislation around this until now; I'm curious what happens when something comes out that is better than USB-C? Are companies stuck until new legislation is passed or is there some sort of auto update to the standard written in?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 37 points 1 year ago

The same thing that is happening now. EU mandated micro USB on all phones and Apple pleaded exceptionalism. Industry has moved on to USB C and EU is updating mandate. Apple is not being allowed to plead exceptionalism again.

[–] DrM@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago

The law is ready for that. If and when the USB association agrees on a new standard thats not USB-C, then the new standard will be required after a transitional period. Right now it doesnt seem likely that this will happen in the near future, but in 10 years? Maybe

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[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

It WAS a good cable about 6 years ago when even flagship phones still used micro USB. I would have killed for lightning on my old android phone. However, usb c just takes the cake, every cake. It has its own problems but the tradeoffs are miniscule compared to lightning.

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