but this isn't new technology where you can write a 100 bullshit news article about and prais it as the next big thing because it actually works and is efficient
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You need about 7 cars displaced per bus at all times in order for it to be more efficient in gas.
I would rather have a world full of velomobiles than buses.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_efficiency_in_transport#US_Passenger_transportation
Is that still true for modern hybrid buses?
Edit - also surely mean you need to average 7 people as when it's full it'll be a little over 12 times as efficient as when there's 7 people. So it could run for 10 minutes full then about 2 hours completely empty and it would balance.
No i meant 7 cars worth of people. If a bus can displace 7 cars then it is only equal in efficiency. This applies to hybrid buses too as they only get marginally better performance per energy needed to use.
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The correct answer actually should -and could- be 0 gallons if they simply cycle to work. Granted, that requires them to have the right infrastructure available, but if (once) that existed, the vast majority of the work force could cycle to work happily. Most people don't live 20 miles or more from where they work
How many gallons does the ambulance take to get the cyclist to the hospital after the hit and run?
(Seriously tho bicycles ftw except in winter)
Less, probably, because cycling in on itself is safer than driving a car. Lower speeds, less mass, less injuries.
Also, winter cycling.is awesome
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Yeah, but buses generally suck. Give me actual rail, thanks.
The DC Metro was amazing.
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Nobody is arguing it isn't efficient. It's a pain in the ass and I need to deal with randoms in public.
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It makes a good point but only if your country actually has public transport.
If you live somewhere with zero public transport, the car is your only option.
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That's great when all those people live in the same block and go to work at the same company and have the same hours.
But Frank lives 10 miles away and works on the other side of town. And Tim lives 3 towns over and works the night shift. Bill lives in the country and works 40 miles away. Eddy lost a leg in the war and while he is only 1/2 mile from the bus station, can't walk that far with his disability.
When it is convenient, it is convenient, but there's a reason why when given the choice, most normal people will drive their car instead no matter what the nonsense in this subs likes to pretend is real.
can't walk that far with his disability.
Neither he can drive. Or in some countries even not allowed to.
while he is only 1/2 mile from the bus station
- This is seriously fucked.
- Powered wheelchair.
Hand-controls are a thing. Eddy is perfectly fine driving his handi-van around. He's not too keen on when motorcycles part in between the handicapped spots though.
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And never mind the rampant spread of bedbugs and disease, being exposed to violence and sexual assault, risking being arrested simply for angering the bus driver, being made late to work or even missing it entirely because of bus breakdowns, route changes or cancellations, or any number of problems that are more easily rectified with an electric car or a bike
Yeah man because these are all inherent issues and not at all to do with the implementation
Yes, they are inherent issues. You can't control who goes on that bus and therefore can't guarantee the safety of passengers. You can't control whether buses break down or if the routes will change or not, so you can't guarantee riders will get to work on time, if at all. And in many cities, bus service is so poor that jobs will not hire people who ride the bus for those reasons.
You also can't stop people from spreading bedbugs and disease, and we all saw how well you reacted to that during covid.
Accept that you're just wrong on this. No matter how much you want buses to be a viable solution, they just aren't.
Ok, I'm curious if you think all mass transport is just a no-go then. What can be done?
Electric cars, of course
Despite having the tube and double-decker busses, London is the most traffic congested city in the world.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-10/these-are-the-world-s-most-congested-cities
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What do I do when there's no bus route anywhere near my work? I cycle when it's weather appropriate but I ain't cycling to work in 20°C heatwave.
20 c is a heatwave? Isn't that like 68 F? I'd think 30+ is heatwave territory.
Nah, 30° is hot, heatwave territory is 35+
20 is enough to be generally uncomfortable all day.
And here my air conditioner settings are set to 24C°...
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You're quite picky. Appropriate for a 1st Worlder, I might say.
20° heatwave? It's 33° tomorrow and I'll be cycling.
Nice. I have to travel like 17 miles to the nearest bus station. This fixes everything! /s
Better off with my own vehicle when it's only like 8 miles to work. I'd be literally wasting 9 miles to the bus station and 9 miles back in my own vehicle to even get back and forth to the bus station.
Edit: Seriously, have any of you tried traveling 17 miles to the west, only to catch a bus going 25 miles to the east, passing your own town to get to work? Then going 25 miles back, only to have to drive your own vehicle back home, because the bus don't stop there?
Better off just taking my own vehicle to work.
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We'll here in my city it not cuts congestion it MAKES congestion
This assumes all of them live right next to each other though
Is the idea of 68 people living within a few blocks of a bus line hard to believe? You know they don't all get on on from the same stop, right?
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