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[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 105 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Sometimes you have to use complicated terms because you're dealing with complicated ideas...

Other times it's clear that the authors are just trying to pad the length of a paper and sound more pompous.

In Brazil we call this "enchendo linguiça", which literally translates to "filling sausage".

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, I get shit occasionally in random places for using bigger words when they actually would take multiple sentences to replace.

But there are a fucking lot of people who use big (or obscure) words purely as a kind of signaling that they're smart, rather than for communication. And it's usually really obvious to people who have better vocabularies (or better understanding of the jargon in a specific field) that they don't know what they're doing.

If after looking up a word, the rationale for the word choice doesn't become understandable on at least some level, it's probably nonsense. (There are some super smart people who just don't know how to communicate though and think the word's as simple to everyone else as to them.)

[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

“Don't use a five-dollar word when a fifty-cent word will do.” - Mark Twain (attributed?)

[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Look at you, communicating with a purpose. I’m just trying to make my essay 1500 words

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago

I was absolutely terrible at that. I had really bad homework grades and completion rates exactly because of shit like that.

"You gave me a 500 word question. I can't make 1500 words out of it. If I'm going to fail anyways fuck turning it in." (No, no part of that approach was intelligent, but I just couldn't fill space with obvious trash. My brain would shut down.)

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

On the flip side of this, it makes me sad that using fancy words usually just makes you seem pretentious in normal conversations, which has made a lot of cool/interesting words unusable for me. Even words that used to be pretty common, like insipid, will have most people look at you like 🤨

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

I've seen a cool chart somewhere that pointed at specific words for varying intensities of specific adjectives. The objectif was to avoid writing very+adjective, which sounds boring, and use the proper word instead.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

Portugal é encher chouriços

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

you're dealing with complicated ideas

With many specific components or processes that must be differentiated between each other, and often the difference is negligible, abstract or hazy to the untrained eye.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

You draw a schema or diagram then.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 54 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A major turning point in one's academic journey is when you go from struggling to compose a lengthy and impressive essay to struggling to compose a concise and accessible essay (otherwise known as the "too-short-and-basic to too-long-and-pompous shift"). Sometimes this takes leaving academia and realizing that your masterpiece work doesn't mean shit if no one bothered to read it.

[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I was an engineer is school. I've always been good at fluffing up my writing, but it always annoyed me that I had to make things longer when I felt like I was already done.

When one of my first engineering reports said "this has to be no more than 2 pages long" as opposed to "at least" I knew I had chosen the right school. Lol

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago

Don't forget 2 pages with pictures and tables.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

The more I see the nakedness of the emperor, the more impressed I am with the skill of the wizards who crafted his invisible clothes.

[–] Norgur@fedia.io 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well, sort of

It does generate nonsense, but unlike Calvin the ChatGPT is generating nonsense based on nonsense sample data, so Calvin's is still better.

[–] Norgur@fedia.io 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Furthermore, Calvin is well aware that he's talking nonsense.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago

Yeah but that hardly affects the quality of the output, except for some fringe contextual cases.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Calvin, and others like him, are the reason AI is like this.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Where do you think it got it from then?

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 4 months ago

System prompt + context

[–] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I know hating ChatGPT is trendy, but while I think this AI boom is absolutely idiotic and LLMs aren't suitable for a lot of the things people try to use them for, I think there's a real tendency for people to make it seem like everything about them is garbage. Pretending that even their training data is "nonsense" is just silly

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's not "trendy," if anything liking it is "trendy," hating it is the educated stance.

Clearly you failed to understand the "prompt" because the context in which we're discussing this is supposed to be about intentionally creating nonsense.

[–] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Did you read anything I said past that part or did you just want to get your petulant downvote in?

I literally fucking said the boom's idiotic and there's a lot of problems with the technology, but just blindly pretending everything about it is shit is as idiotic as is pretending they're the good for everything. What is it with people's inability to have a honest fucking argument; "their 'sample data' is nonsense" is bullshit and you fucking know it. "Sample data" isn't even a fucking thing in this context.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today -4 points 4 months ago

I made a couple edits about a minute after I hit reply, so as to respond to your concerns before continuing to insult your intelligence further.

[–] Turun@feddit.de 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately the average person prefers flowery language for some reason. So that's what OpenAI optimized for.

If you tell it to be precise and short it usually works fine.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Love that In work we try to minimize the words as much as possible.

Key reasons come to mind:

  1. global audience and people need to put it into translator.
  2. some people we work with are dumb as doornails and ideas need to be simplified.
  3. no one wants to read 5 paragraph for a simple we don't know what color you wanted.
  4. ain't nobody got time for that.

Those extend the paper as long as possible skills are useless in the real-world.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Those extend the paper as long as possible skills are useless in the real-world.

CEOs, politicians and business people disagree.

I mean, they are useless in the big picture.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago

It's funny cause boss is always trying to hide information to business people. They tend to get overwhelmed if we don't.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What about job applications?

Those skills are used when filling out forms that are going to be AI processed and need to have all the keywords from the job ad jammed into each answer.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 4 points 4 months ago

I wouldn't know wtf HR doing. Those are the same POS that demand 15 years experience for something that came out 2 years ago.

I scared future is putting tiny tags in background to look like a elegant pattern so AI reads it but person just sees the good stuff. even still it's min max words. Can't fit the whole dictionary on one page.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago

I expected him to aspire to become a politician until the last frame