Doesn't scanning before upload imply the encryption is broken somewhere? Is that the point, to remove encryption? Forgive my naivete.
this post was submitted on 09 Jun 2024
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For sure! The EU will tell to the apps to backdoored their encryption to accept this law. For example Google, Meta and Microsoft are okay with it if it is implemented. And Signal would leave the EU market.
We need more censorship-resistant, private, decentralized communication protocols. We need them to be widespread enough that lawmakers see censoring/controlling them as technically impossible and politically unwise. That means they need to be easy to use for the average person so we can get sufficient adoption. Donate to your software of choice, that's how it happens.
This is kinda how Bitcoin is. Even if a nation-sate wants to "ban" it or attack the network, the network is gonna keep working and doing its thing (technically impossible) and they will piss off a bunch of voters and/or other keys to political power and potentially lose out on businesses and jobs building in this sector (politically unwise). The CCP tried to ban Bitcoin some years ago, did not work at all, and the network wasn't nearly as strong or large as it is today.
I would say matrix but that is unlikely. Simplex Chat and Signal it is.
Matrix is in fact decentralized, SimpleX too. But Signal is centralized.
I won't disagree
Signal has downsides but it us still better than Whatsapp
I thought the chat control law idea kinda died already
They will try to bring it back to life every few years or so
political elites in Europe are afraid and fear upheavals are coming in the coming years and months because of the cost of living crisis and the war. They try to clamp down beforehand to preserve their own power. This always happens when things go bad. The leash is kept looser when people behave and it's tightened again when the opposite happens. There is no real freedoms that is given to the people by the elites, because what concessions they give willingly they can just as easily take away when they no longer feel like it. Provided that they think they can get away with it.
It's not just European elites who are afraid of upheaval. It's all of them. It's one of the reasons why they all have bunkers, why Zuckerberg is building another one in Hawaii recently. They know that we can actually do something about them because we outnumber them by a lot, so they build these systems of control. Governments, corps, elites have all become noticeably more brazen in the past several years.
This is why we shouldn't let such people to the government in the first place. Anyone who believes in "patriotism" and "national interest" (that appears to be 99% of people in the democratic world) will disagree though. It's a matter of double standards, lack of understanding and care at this point
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nope, they'll vote on it again in the few weeks. if it passes, e2ee messengers will be required to scan images on device before sending them. you will be able to not agree to that, but then you won't be able to send or receive media and links, only text.
Here are the first vote results https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=167712
Great, so I'm seing this right that everyone is voting Yes?
That's it, only the green party is "okay"
Why is this not headline number 1 in every newspaper? It can't get any more dystopian than that. Why does nobody care, god damnit...
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Is it true it's already implemented by google, meta...?
No it's not implemented but they would implemented this backdoor if the law pass
But why can't you just use software from GitHub or F-Droid or something that doesn't have to obey these laws? Is it illegal?
good luck getting everyone you know to communicate with you with "software from GitHub or F-Droid or something". I'm having a hard time making people try out Signal, which is freely available on the major app stores (and which, by the way, has declared that they'll leave the EU market if one device scanning will be enforced on them).
I think this would give me a reason to tell my contacts why I refuse from now on to use whatsapp for instance. I could say something like whatsapp now scans every single photo you send, therefore I won't use it so contact me on some other place.
Good luck with it, mister/miss
Thank you, good luck to you too
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Signal is great but lack some points, like the requirement of the mobile number or the centralisation of the servers
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I wasn't even talking about such cases. I was talking about people who need really secure and private communication in that particular comment
In fact it would be illegal but you wouldn't take risks by using them. But the authorities could make them shut down one by one
They can't if you use a VPN and the app is not in their jurisdiction
That would be difficult for sure but in fact it would be illegal
I don't care if it's illegal if the law violates people's privacy tbh
This person gets it. If something like this is made illegal, the best way to fight it is just to ignore them. After all, they can't lock up everybody. Then they would have no subjects to enslave. I mean tax. I mean enslave.
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I understand totally but it is better to stop this law as soon as possible
Agreed
Even if this is illegal - how would such usage be detected? Your device just makes a request to a random domain on a random VPS, and the traffic is TLS-encrypted - would usage of XMPP/Matrix/whatever be that distinct?
I totally understand and this approval is absolutely ridiculous just because it's almost impossible apply this... But even with almost 0 chance applying to every apps it's better to kill this law as soon as possible
What does "scan" mean here?
Never, they'll try again and again with different names, covered by different purposes and stuck to another law.
They try every year...
It is cute that they think they can regulate the use of math and how the internet can be used.
lol
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I sent my friend "ax4uol4wj83birqti336mk92mu8" and that's what he got
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If this ever makes it to the US I am going to put up a hell of a fight. On my left will be California and on my right Texas.
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