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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 75 points 5 months ago (44 children)

conducted by the University Network for Human Rights, the International Human Rights Clinic at Boston University School of Law, the International Human Rights Clinic at Cornell Law School, the Centre for Human Rights at the University of Pretoria, and the Lowenstein Human Rights Project at Yale Law School

So yeah, big names there. I'm not hopeful about it changing Biden's mind, though.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Hasn't changed US foreign policy for decades, so yeah probably not. From arming to giving Israel protection in the UN, the US is all in on Palestinian genocide. The US does not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC because the court could be used for "political reasons". This goes back to the creation of the ICC, which the Clinton admin helped to form but then vote against. Israel, Russia, Israel, China, Libya, and Qatar are the only countries who do not recognize the jurisdiction of the court. There is a through line on why they don't: it is because of what they have already done and continue to do that would levy charges at the court. In fact the US has the American Service Members Protection Act to make cooperation with the court next to impossible.

TL:DR; the US has been complicit in Palestinian genocide since Eisenhower.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

The study doesn't count because it's hamas

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago (1 children)

University Network for Human Rights, the International Human Rights Clinic at Boston University School of Law, the International Human Rights Clinic at Cornell Law School, the Centre for Human Rights at the University of Pretoria, and the Lowenstein Human Rights Project at Yale Law School

Crazy. I never expected to see big Ivy League school names there but here we are. Even the most status quo and US aligned universities are now calling it a genocide.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago

To be fair there's a pretty big difference between the professors and the administration. The university boards haven't changed their position because wealthy alumni threatened to stop giving money. (This is also what got the president of Harvard fired.)

Professors have been out there with the students the entire time.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

To the "no shit" and "this is obvious" people, agreed. However, "this is obvious, just look" is nowhere near as good an argument as one with actual data. Especially when looked at in the future with a historical lens.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Nice to have some big institutions put their name in it. Albeit rather late.

I have come to the conclusion most people do not have functioning eyes and brains and will only listen to authority. So this can be linked to them.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago

"Study makes an obvious conclusion everybody with half a brain cell made months prior."

[–] bokherif@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 5 months ago

More evidence for when zionists cry there's no proof

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Out of curiosity, why are no other countries accepting Palestinian refugees?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity what caused them to be refugees in the first place?

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Probably the fact that they started a war on Oct. 7th that they can't win, as a starting point for escalation of conflict specifically.

[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Probably the fact that they started a war on Oct. 7th that they can’t win, as a starting point for escalation of conflict specifically.

So you are going to just ignore 76 years of history about this situation? Also Palestinians did not attack on 7 October 2023, it was Hamas. Normal Palestinian civilians are innocent. I will once again copy-past what, I said to another Lemmy user because it seems some particular people can’t (or won’t) do research themselves:

‘’Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).

Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the horrifying things Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.’’

If you want to go on the route ‘’who started this war’’; it’d be Israel and Britian who ‘’gave’’ the land to them.

that they can’t win, as a starting point for escalation of conflict specifically.

Obvious they cannot ‘win’ because it’s Israel state and the US country (US giving billions to Israel) versus a group of people. Hamas want their land, homes and humans right back.

The normal Palestinian civilians do not even want to fight at all. All they want is have human rights, be able to be free from occupation, torture. They don’t want to their entire families to be murdered out just because they’re Palestinians. It’s immensely bad what Hamas done on 7 October but it’s also immensely bad what Israel has been doing since 1948 up until 2024 (ongoing). If you push people far enough, they will fight back in the worst way possible and that’s happened.

Also imagine this; you are in your house with five family members. Suddenly group of 10 strangers force their way into your home, kill all your family members and force you in the bathroom for 10 years. For 10 years they have been living now, you manage to escape, fight back and kill several of these people. Now suddenly you are the aggressor, committed a crime and they (who took your home and killed your family) are the victims. That do be insane if it really happens right?

Well newsflash, that is truly happening to the Palestinian people.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So they weren't refugees before Oct 7th?

or under occupation

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well they certainly weren't building infrastructure for their own citizens with all the materials and money. shrug

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 5 months ago

The other nations don't want to give Israel an excuse for a displacement genocide, they want the world to see Israel for what it is.

If they accept the refugees Israel isn't going to let them go home eventually. If they don't, Israel either stops or kills everyone.

This makes your average Palestinians a diplomatic pawn, but that's rarely a problem to the ruling class no matter their nation.

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