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Most and Least Verbose Programming Languages (programming.dev)
submitted 2 years ago by pwshguy@programming.dev to c/programming@programming.dev
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I was looking at code.golf the other day and I wondered which languages were the least verbose, so I did a little data gathering.

I looked at 48 different languages that had completed 79 different code challenges on code.golf. I then gathered the results for each language and challenge. If a "golfer" had more than 1 submission to a challenge, I grabbed the most recent one. I then dropped the top 5% and bottom 5% to hopefully mitigate most outliers. Then came up with an average for each language, for each challenge. I then averaged the results across each language and that is what you see here.

For another perspective, I ranked each challenge then got the average ranking across all challenges. Below is the results of that.

Disclaimer: This is in no way scientific. It's just for fun. If you know of a better way to sort these results please let me know.

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[–] ivg@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

im confused, c and c have header files that are super verbose, not sure how its so high up that list

[–] jarfil@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago

Header files are optional, they duplicate function declarations to share between multiple files, but otherwise you could write c/c++/c# without headers... the compiler might just run out of memory.

[–] gamma@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's interesting, the results here are way different than the Code Golf & Coding Challenges Stack Exchange. I would never expect Haskell to be that low. But after looking at code.golf, I realize it's because I/O on CG&CC is more relaxed. Most Haskell submissions are functions which return the solution.

Sidenote: I like the CG&CC method, it's semi-competitive, semi-cooperative.

  • all languages welcome
  • almost all users post "Try it Online"/"Attempt This Online" links
  • most users post explanations under their submissions
  • often people will post solutions beginning with "port of user1234's excellent Foolang answer" when there's a clever shortcut someone finds
  • or people will post their own solution with "here's a solution which doesn't use user1234's algorithm"
  • or people will add comments to answers with minor improvements

IMO It's geared towards what is the best part about code golf: teaching people about algorithm design and language design.

[–] parlaptie@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

Everyone's comparing the placements of their favorite language and I'm just left wondering how GolfScript gets beaten by seven other languages. I take it out was created specifically to do well on code golf? Mission failed, I guess.

[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago

Any idea how Scala would rank? I have a hard time thinking it'd end up far away from Ruby.

[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

NO WAY php is more verbose than Java.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is not, though. Not according to the graph.

[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Weird this is not the graph I remember having seen first time, The one I saw had python at the very top, have I commented on the wrong post ?

[–] Joph@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago

There are two images. One of them has Python as #1, the other doesn't.

[–] xrtxn@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why is sql so low?

[–] brianorca@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It's probably not used much for code golf, except for when it can be leveraged for specific tasks in which it excels.

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 0 points 2 years ago

I hate Python 3 requires parantes for print. Python 2 accepted print 'hi'. Vs print('hi')

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