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[–] Forester@yiffit.net 40 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

The 350 nanometer process is a level of semiconductor process technology that was reached in the 1995–1996 timeframe

The new stuff is 3nm

[–] reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 18 points 5 months ago

350 nm is massive and ancient relative to new processes, but the name of a new process stopped physically meaning anything a while ago. for instance, the 3 nm process smallest distance between traces is only 24 nm.

now the industry just names a new process when enough techniques for improving performance (without much actual size difference) exist.

[–] Venat0r@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think this youtuber might have achieved similar nm with his DIY setup, but I don't remember. He's using a different process though.

[–] reddithalation@sopuli.xyz 6 points 5 months ago

breaking taps is very impressive, but sam zeloof made it quite a bit further, he made his own packaged IC. now he runs a startup called atomic semi, that is trying to use electron beam lithography for prototyping.

[–] tehWrapper@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

More than enough power to guide a missile.

[–] aniki@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not a guide missile with any kind of scrambling necessary to not get obliterated by current DoD tech. When it comes to realtime, clock-rate is everything.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 1 points 5 months ago

A stupid missile for sure, you don't even need a computer for that.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

The newest stuff out of Taiwan is 1.6nm.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago
[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Russia: Sanctions aren’t doing shit, we’re actually better off without the outside world

Also Russia: Hey never mind about the toilets, let me show you how we’ve mastered Nintendo 64 technology

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

~~mastered~~ started working with

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 7 points 5 months ago

Yes, you are correct, that's a very relevant correction. "Soon," they say.

[–] Spitzspot@lemmings.world 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Soon they'll be able to run Doom.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 3 points 5 months ago

Doom was actually a little before the 350nm era. Doom was like 386 and 486 timeframe; the first Pentium machines were being made when it was released, whereas 350nm was the Pentium Pro. So if they're working on 350nm, they're already ahead of Doom level hardware, hopefully.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 3 points 5 months ago

Castle Wolfenstein seems more appropriate, in some twisted backwards way.

[–] notaviking@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Not to piss on the party, but ATmega328p chips that we use in Arduinos, if I am not incorrect, is based on 350nm process, or you just scale to that size and accept the inefficiencies. People have been doing amazing stuff with worse chips in the past. Yeah modern features in modern chips are amazing but if I was a soldier my slightly smart (Arduino standards) weapon is still a deadly weapon in my arsenal

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's kind of an embarrassing brag, though, like saying you're finally toilet trained. Good for you, that will help, but the rest of us are way past that.

[–] thepreciousboar@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Litography technology is only the first part of the deal. You need an incredible amount of knowledge to design processors, use the technology and have a working and reliable product. Manufacturing chips is difficult, you also need to source good qualitt silicon

[–] notaviking@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

You are right, I am between believing Russian propaganda and thinking Russia's resiliency, the knowledge is available and they have a key partner like China that I believe will share expertise in such archaic field, these are the same Russians that stripped washing machines for their chips so the ingenuity is there

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Damn, that's only 50x larger than what the rest of the world wants.

In three days they'll be making 2nm chips and we'll all be screwed

[–] Valmond@lemmy.mindoki.com 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

50x50 times my friend, the chips are on 2D slates, the nanometre distance is just for one side...

Edit: The distance between the transistors ofc.

[–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 5 months ago

Chips is going in missiles and tanks arn't leading edge. They kill just as effectively.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

GMLRS: And I took that personally

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

That thumbnail is beyond choice. No notes. Just ... spectacular.