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An international institution doing something based for once (sopuli.xyz)

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 97 points 6 months ago (5 children)

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Some folk are having difficulty figuring out that there aren't any good guys here. We have (in no particular order):

Hamas, who are killing and raping innocent civilians, maintaining military rule, and generally being some of the most prominent examples of why theocracy is bad.

Israel, who's doing a genocide and helped ensure Hamas was in power because Hamas is fucking evil and thus easy to hate.

The US who is supplying the former, and thus making things easier for them. Simultaneously, Biden appears to be trying to get a bunch of countries to form a peacekeeping force, but frankly I'm not giving him points for that. (Ofc, this does not mean you shouldn't vote for him. Trump is worse.)

A large ammount of civilians who are being pushed by the first two into making each other victims and being brainwashed into thinking that one or the other is good.

The closest we have to a good guy in this scenario is fucking Egypt who's participating in a scheme to maintain a peacekeeping force. And as far as I remember not doing anything shady that's relevant. Reminder that this is the country that periodically comes out with a magical AIDS-curing laser.

[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 76 points 6 months ago (1 children)

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In 1000 years you'd have Israel/Hamas all over again, but it would be Cabelas/BassPro

[–] holycrap@lemm.ee 18 points 6 months ago

Cabelas is owned by bass pro so... that's a good analogy actually.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

You forgot that Hamas is run by people who spend most of their time living extravagantly in their sugar daddy countries.

[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There was actually news that an Egyptian spy manipulated the peace process. His task was to talk with Israel and Hamas regarding a ceasefire. He manipulated the Hamas offer – which Israel accepted – without talking to Hamas with the goal to make Israel back off from the agreement.

So far no one knows why he did that. If he was Putin's puppet or if it was orders from Egypt. But it shines a bad light onto Egypt's role.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I can't think of a single motivation for doing that.

[–] GenEcon@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Putin loves chaos and dissent in Europe. Everything that escalates the situation in Israel and Palestine is good for him.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago

Yeah, that tracks.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The good guys are the innocent victims on both sides. However, since one side has considerably more power than the other, the amount of victims they can rack up is far higher.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago

That doesn't really fit my platonic ideal of "good guy" but it's a decent characterization nonetheless.

[+] Melkath@kbin.social -25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Here is the difference though.

October 7th was horrible but also MASSIVELY embellished by outright Israeli propaganda. We still don't really know what happened at that festival.

The rest of Hamas' attacks are launching unexploded rockets that Israel fired at them back at Israel so their advanced defense systems can intercept them with zero casualties.

The only way the meme would be a decent comparison is if instead of King Kong, it was just a normal ass gorilla.

[–] Belastend@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Right, the fact finding mission couldn't establish mass rapes (because no footage showed rape) or beheaded babies, but mass genital mutilation, injuries in the genital area consistent with rape and "attempted or complete beheadings of victims".

[–] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Reasonable Grounds to Believe Conflict-Related Sexual Violence Occurred in Israel During 7 October Attacks

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

The paragraphs in question:

“It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated. The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity. While there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in the Nova music festival site, Route 232, and kibbutz Re’im, reported incidents of rape could not be verified in other locations. Concurrently, the team determined that at least two allegations of sexual violence in kibbutz Be’eri — widely reported in the media — were unfounded.

Turning to the West Bank, she painted a grim picture of “intense fear and insecurity, with women and men terrified and deeply disturbed over the ongoing tragedy in Gaza”. On her visit to Ramallah, she spotlighted instances of sexual violence in the context of detention, such as invasive body searches; beatings, including in the genital areas; and threats of rape against women and female family members. Sexual harassment and threats of rape during house raids and at checkpoints were also reported. She expressed disappointment that the immediate reaction to her report by some Israeli political actors was not to open inquiries into those alleged incidents but, rather, to reject them outright via social media.

However, she underscored that her findings do not legitimize further hostilities. Instead, they create a moral imperative for a humanitarian ceasefire to end the unspeakable suffering imposed on Palestinian civilians in Gaza and bring about the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages. “I am horrified by the injustice of women and children killed in Gaza,” she said, stressing that the end goal of her mandate is not “a war without rape” but a “world without war”.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago

No one is saying that they're equally bad.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If only they had the power to bonk, instead of just to threaten bonks

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 months ago

They can curb Netanyahu's capacity to travel, and pressure Israel to vote him out of office, or be thought of as Bibi's little collective bitch.

Similarly, George W. Bush and his administration can't leave the US for fear of arrest. Despite the Storm the Hague law, the US won't be storming the Hague even if ex-presidents stand trial by internal tribubal.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's pumping up Hamas a considerable amount. Maybe one of those auto dealer inflatable gorillas, but not King Kong.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I mean, in an actual fight, that one movie notwithstanding, King Kong shouldnt exactly be an equivalent to Godzilla, he managed to get himself killed by being shot up by some aircraft mounted guns and falling off a building, while Godzilla can tank a nuke and fire radioactive plasma from his mouth

[–] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Her mouth*

[–] RadicalEagle@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Goddesszilla

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

And lay a ton of self-fertilized eggs, all at the same time. There are only two genders, but she can switch as needed.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My understanding is Hamas was supplied by Iran to start some trouble in Gaza to provoke Israel into a brutal retaliation, since Netanyahu was already known to be itching for an excuse to go all genocide (as confirmed by the IDF using cluster bombs in excess and blockbusters in civilian-occupied urban areas).

Hamas, emboldened with its new materiel, went hard and Netanyahu was gleeful for the opportunity to massacre more Palestinians, even resort to contrived famine to do it.

All while smart phones on the ground recorded the carnage up close and personal, which leaked to the internet for all to see.

So Hamas is not a military giant, but they played their part with aplomb

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Shit even Iran would have a tough time being King Kong now that I think about it.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Frame 3: the US Government enters the frame to the right, swinging a bat labelled Hague Invasion Act

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Frame 4 EU Lady steps up with the shield and the US finds out Europe isn't toothless.

[–] bitfucker@programming.dev 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It would be funny if that happens since the EU is having problems with Russia too. Will Russia help the EU (by proving that America is not as powerful as they'd like to think) or take advantage of the situation I wonder.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Oh my, Baltic Czech Republic is right there...

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 5 months ago

While it's cool I doubt it'll do much

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 months ago

I can't help it, seeing Godzilla and King Kong reminds me too much of an old Japanese movie where Godzilla and King Kong were fighting, and Godzilla breathes fire on King Kong. Kong doesn't like that so he reaches down and pulls up a tree and stuffs it root ball first down Godzilla's throat to stop the fire. Funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"doing something"

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

They are doing everything they were created to do!

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 14 points 6 months ago

There's many a slip twixt "I am applying for a warrant" and any real consequences or end to the killing

I mean it's a good start and the fact that Israel and the US are freaking out about it so much is a pretty strong sign that it's on the right track, but it's still just a start so far

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Are they standing on an aircraft carrier? It could only be Kuznetsov, no other carrier is so stable under the weight of all that monster.

[–] nuke@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago

All I see is smoke and fire, so yeah it's the Kuznetsov confirmed