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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (25 children)

Ummm I didn't know they could be used as collateral. I'll have to research that. It doesn't sound right to me for the same reason they definitely should NOT be taxed. How does that even work? You buy stocks and you hold them, then, what the government taxes you every year until there ARE no gains. Or perhaps the stock plummeted and you have a loss, but it's ok, you lost money on the investment AND to the government. Until you sell an investment you haven't made any money on it and it should NOT be taxed. If you have a 401k this would affect you too, not just rich people.

[–] padge@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Ultra net worth individuals, especially ones like Jeff Bezos with a lot of his net worth tied up in one company, can take a personal loan using his stock as collateral to keep up his lifestyle without needing to sell (and be taxed on) anything. It's only really available for the 1%

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They can be used as collateral because they are assets that have value. You can use your car or house as collateral too, and neither requires payment of federal income tax.

There isn't a federal tax on most assets. It's income that's taxed. If your assets gain value they can be sold, at which point you pay taxes on that income, though often at a reduced rate (e.g. Capital Gains Tax for selling stock at a profit).

[–] somethingp@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Except most state/local governments do have property taxes on houses, land, and cars. Not unrealistic to apply the same towards other assets. Specially since taxing homes and cars is counterintuitive because you're taxing necessities, while taxing monetary/investment assets like stocks would make more sense to encourage more spending instead of just hoarding the money.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Most states don't tax cars outside of sales tax.

They may have registration, but that's different than tax and only applies of you use the vehicle on public land.

Property tax is usually school districts and municipalities, and is well-under 1% most planned.

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