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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 months ago (7 children)

It's absolutely insane that our media is so linked to the United States that our Conservatives only start to fall when people see American Conservatives getting beat-down and shamed in the presidential race. (and rightly so)

Are we, as Canadians, unable to tell how shitty our own Right-Wing is unless the American Mirror tells us so?

[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

While I’ve had similar thoughts, I have to wonder if the reverse is true. We’re seeing an uprising of joy and caring; something as equally infectious as the hateful, controlling rhetoric of the Trump-era Republican Party.

I think (hope) people see the two options and are drawn to the joy. Being angry is exhausting.

There is a lot of terrible out there we need to work together to solve. Some of it is sad, depressing, frustrating, wildly unjust-but we can be joyful in tackling these issues. Maybe not all the time, but then no one is ever one thing or one mood or one emotion. Nevertheless, a campaign of joy can make us realize there is indeed another way.

Looking at Trump’s tragic demagoguery and seeing what’s going on with the Harris/Walz campaign , it’s not hard to believe more and more people are thinking “you know what, I want that.”

So hearing PP using the same old poor-us, divisive, othering talking points begins to take on some of the same burden. It’s tired. It’s ugly. It’s empty.

One can dream right?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

uprising of joy and caring

Boggles me that people see Harris that way, but I guess things are just that bad.

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Personally I think Harris is riding a wave of the uprising of hope. She is not driving it, but she has managed to tap into it and to give people who believe in the power of breaking free of pessimism a candidate who at least plays lip service to hopefulness even if here core values remain the typical doom and gloom. In many ways she's an updated version of Barrack Obama: aware of social issues and willing to engage with them, ultimately a neoliberal conservative. Unfortunately, this year, this is the best we're gonna get so a lot of people involved in the uprising of hope are going to, and should, vote for her. Its just we need to keep this all going. We need to vote in local elections for candidates who will give us superior voting systems to first past the pole, and we need to continue demonstrating in the streets for the decolonization of earth. Kamala wants us to shut up, and the democrats want to tell us the DNC isn't the right time to protest for the end of genocide. We need to show them they can't shut us down that easy. But we also need to avoid a Donald Trump presidency at all costs. So keep telling Kamala she's wrong about Israel. But also do vote for her. But then also make her presidency difficult without recognizing that sending F-35s to Israel is a subversion of the will of the people

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think that a smart voter should be aware that the first task is electing Harris, but then they need to immediately transition to fighting Harris. It's a weird position to be in.

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 1 points 2 months ago

Yup. A lot of people don't vote because they don't feel heard. Well. We have a major opportunity right now with how unpopular Donald Trump is and his violent his band of weirdos are about to get. We can get in president Harris and then make ourselves heard as we stand against the violent weirdos. We can say "we the people of the united states of america don't stand for this nonsense. We don't stand for violence being what decides everything. We will resist violence with violence if we must, but we will not allow ourselves to rule with or be ruled by it. If we are going to continue living on this earth we must dismantle the global system of torture we live under and for good. The people of Palestine need to be free. The people of Africa can't constantly be at civil war for what's left of the resources we stole from them. And the Russian Federation cannot continue to be allowed to interfere in elections across the globe"

Harris has made it clear she is willing to court us, willing to be seen listening to us, but she is not willing to like us or be of us. That's fine. Joe Biden has called himself a transition president. Perhaps Kamala will be, too. We just have to show that this matters to us, and that there's too many of us to stop the movement.

I said in another comment that I see Harris as riding a wave of optimism, not as driving it. Well? We are that wave! It would be irresponsible for us to let her ride that wave into the white house without benefit to who's doing it. We must demand what we deserve from all this:

  • Food
  • Housing
  • Fair pay
  • Leisure time
  • Clean water
  • Healthcare
  • For our comforts not to come at the cost of torture with the only benefit going to the uber wealthy
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