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U.S. children and teens are more likely to die because of guns than car crashes, drug overdoses and cancer.

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[–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The article discusses this.

Older adolescents, ages 15 to 19, accounted for 82.6% of gun-related deaths in 2021.

Poking around the CDC website adolescence is defined in multiple ways but generally includes ages 12-19, so might be better described as "teens" even though 18+ is a legal adult. I think it's being treated here as more of a developmental stage than a legal one.

Digging into it by age, from 2018-2021 firearms made up 2,149 out of 22,545 total deaths (~9%) for the age range 5-14 in the US. Looking at 15-19 this increases significantly to 13,321 out of 46,323 total deaths (~29%). This corresponds to increases in both homicide and suicide by firearm for older adolescents.

Quoting this just to make the point that firearms do have differing impacts on younger and older children, and that extends to race and income level as well. But whether guns are the leading cause of death for an age group or not, the end result is the same: more dead kids.

[–] Hardeehar@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I'm more interested right now in the obvious agenda.

I'm not saying that child death's aren't up or that we shouldn't do more to protect them but when citing data this way, I get the very strong feeling that it's being made to look worse than it is on purpose. The majority are from suicides and murder fatalities are extreme in the 18-19 year old bracket.

Why on earth does the metric include 18 and 19 year olds as children if not for making something look worse.

The dictionary defines a child as a person between birth and puberty. Or not having attained the age of legal majority.

It's similar to when a 10 year old gets shot by the police, and then the news conference later has the police referring the 10 year old victim as "a young man" instead of "the child". Does it not feel like they're trying to achieve something?

[–] Blimp7990@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I’m more interested right now in the obvious agenda.

yeah that is the right response to an uptick in the number of children being murdered for your hobby

[–] Hardeehar@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm sorry, but the ability to defend myself and my family isn't a hobby. It's what gave my mother the ability to fend off a guy with a knife last year. You want her to fight him off with her bare hands in the parking lot? I had a friend who was almost gang raped by three men in an alley. She now carries a giant gun in her purse and you want her defenseless?

Not everyone has the luxury of police around the corner or to see guns as a hobby like you do. Especially the population of "children" you're referring to. Let me shed some light for you.

The fact is that these stats aren't a majority school shootings. These homicides are male inner city black ADULT youth who are given the worst cards in life and they have gotten zero attention. This is gang violence politicized.

The pandemic hit this population hardest and the facts show it here. Look at deaths from ALL types of things and it's gone up in this particular minority population. It's disheartening because it's been like this for decades and people are thinking it would be solved if only you could remove the guns.

The appropriate response is (if you're not already) supporting programs and services that help people who are suffering from poverty and mental health illness. Not making my family and friends defenseless.

Edit - My mother wanted to add that she also peppered sprayed the guy the week before. He came back.

[–] Blimp7990@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't feel like enumerating the red flags in your post...so I won't. Suffice it to say we won't see eye to eye, and I don't think your worldview is healthy, but theres not much purpose to further discussion. Bye.

[–] Hardeehar@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I honestly want you to enumerate them because discussion helps and is an opportunity to progress the ideas. Just because we disagree, doesn't mean we shouldn't share the ideas. I enjoy discussion and I try hard to not be inflammatory or rude.

You should tell me where the "flags" are so I can look back and think on it.

To summarize:

  1. The article discusses a CDC report about stats on children which includes adults, and discusses homicides of black inner city adolescents, and suicides of white adolelescents that are on the rise since the pandemic. The loss of life is terrible.

  2. Self defense is a right, not a hobby. The potential loss of life is terrible.

  3. Between #1 and #2, you and I have to navigate to find a solution that satisfies both of us.

  4. We can agree that any life lost to anything is too much.

I wish you the best.

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