this post was submitted on 26 Jul 2023
64 points (93.2% liked)

Men's Liberation

1855 readers
256 users here now

This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.


Rules

Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people


Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.



Be productive


Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people's efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed.

Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting:

  • Build upon the OP
  • Discuss concepts rather than semantics
  • No low effort comments
  • No personal attacks


Assume good faith


Do not call other submitters' personal experiences into question.



No bigotry


Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated.



No brigading


Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues.



Recommended Reading

Related Communities

!feminism@beehaw.org
!askmen@lemmy.world
!mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Full disclosure: I am neither ACAB nor a bootlicker. I hold LEOs to the same ethical/behavioral standards as everyone else, neither higher nor lower.

Why are police forces a magnet for men who want to rape women?

Sexual violence is a subset of the larger problem: policing attracts aggressive, suspicious, sociopathic candidates. Same problem as political office attracting liars and grifters. Same as CEO positions attracting aggressive sociopaths. Plato warned us long ago that those that seek power are the last ones that should wield it.

IMO he police adverse selection is made worse when PDs go out of their way to hire recent combat vets, actively weed out those of above-average intelligence, and adopt increasingly-militarized tactics and culture.

Things will change when PDs start recruiting a different kinds of cop. PDs will do that when citizens demand a different kind of cop. Unfortunately, the citizens will tolerate (and even celebrate) bad cops as long as they are only abusing Those People..

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

LEOs can use lethal force on top of holding anyone in custody at any time for any reason. They should be held to a higher standard than almost everyone else, and not holding them to a high standard contributes to their rates of malicious behavior.

[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org -5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

There is no separate law of deadly force for LEOs and citizenry, which is why the "f33red for muh life!!!!!" defense is so common among LEOs.

not holding them to a high standard contributes to their rates of malicious behavior.

I respectfully disagree. IMO a higher standard just incentivizes them to hide misconduct rather than owning up to it. Again back to the Classics: "Plato taught that, however laudable justice may be, one cannot expect prodigies of virtue from ordinary people." <-- two Plato quotes in one day is not my usual method of discourse!

[–] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There is no separate law of deadly force

In the US, qualified immunity means that they are effectively acting under a different set of laws while on the job.

[–] fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

QI is a seperate and serious problem, yes.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Neat magical distinction you made.

load more comments (8 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)